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Skirmish fire in woods/BUA
« on: April 17, 2017, 12:28:19 AM »
I've only just seen the old topic about Skirmish fire in woods. I agree with the point that those units with skirmish trait should be the obvious candidates for occupying woods. So rather than allowing skirmish fire at 1BW in woods, why not go a small step further... 
allow ONLY those units with the skirmish trait to fire in woods, using Skirmish fire penalties, but without the skirmish bonus, and limited to 1BW range.  That seems simple enough and definitely encourages the historical use of Advance Guard units to occupy woods. 

You could even apply the same rule to firing from BUA.  Thus, for a large BUA occupied by a mix of light troops and line, the light troops could skirmish fire against anyone coming within 1BW, proving a slight nuisance to approaching or even passing enemy, whilst both are useful in defending against actual close assault. (Blucher is too large a scale to represent the mix of troops in Hougoumont, but at a lower scale, the principle would seem reasonable).

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Re: Skirmish fire in woods/BUA
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 06:35:38 AM »
I think we cold apply the first idea fairly easy.

The second idea in blocks would you only fire out the front of the unit like prepared units or out any or all sides?

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Re: Skirmish fire in woods/BUA
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 03:24:27 PM »
IMO, this sounds like using tactical reasoning for a grand tactical game. Using your suggestion in game terms, French light infantry regiment in the woods and a Russian unit approaches it. The elan 6 units rolls 3 dice all 6 s, the Russian unit loses half it,s elan. Does not seem to reasonable to me. Look at the options for the Russian unit. He cannot shoot back must move to 1 BW to be able to charge. In Grand tactical terms a few hundred skirmishers shooting each other  is pretty minor in terms of the larger battle. Sending in a brigade to drive an enemy brigade out of the wood sounds like combat in a grand tactical Scale. A few skirmishers could shoot most of battle at each other with little effect on the battle.
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« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 05:21:56 PM by mikepfanenstiel »

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Re: Skirmish fire in woods/BUA
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2017, 05:26:16 AM »
I admit this may appear to be the old wargamer's paradox of wanting to consider action at all levels. But it's not really. We are talking about a specialist brigade, which would deploy larger numbers of skirmishers, and a way to encourage using those troops rather than any others for fighting in woods, rather than merely trying to reflect skirmish fire in woods.

As for your example - throwing 3 6's in  3 dice (half fire penalty for skirmishing) is not particularly 'reasonable' anyway! That kind of result should be taken as an abstraction of an exceptional circumstance in the way of an 'ambush' at short range or something.  And don't forget charges are full normal distance regardless of terrain, so the Russians could charge in from outside 1BW and chase off (or attempt to chase off) the light infantry without taking any fire first.

anyway, it's just a suggestion. Food for thought, not an argument with the rules as written.

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Re: Skirmish fire in woods/BUA
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2017, 05:31:45 AM »

The second idea in blocks would you only fire out the front of the unit like prepared units or out any or all sides?

Hmmm... that's a good point, and maybe we accept that the defenders would be distributed around a perimeter in any single-space BUA, so effect would be minimal on a brigade scale.  In a larger one, they may be occupying deeper spaces, so too few would be near the edges to fire out with any great effect. It is admittedly easier to simply disallow the firing. I'm sure Sam and the playtesters considered all sorts of options.