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15 mm Artillery
« on: April 20, 2012, 06:29:45 AM »
For my 15 mm Austrian and Prussian Artillery I have purchased models of a well known british manufacturer.

At the stage of dry assembly, when comparing the assembled model with my documentation, I have noticed that the gun-carriages are totaly wrong. Especially, the wheels axis is situated in the middle of the carriage's cheek, while it is the cheek that should lay on then axis. Therefore, the gun's barrel is too low of about (at real scale) 50 cm, what is very evident - the gun is at the waist of the crew, while it should be about shoulder's height. Moreover, the model is generic for all nations and all calibers, while there were obvious differences of design, first between countries, and second between calibers inside the same army.

As I do not like to waste things, I will make new carriages and keep the existing wheels and barrels, but for my future artillery recruitments I would like to know, first, if there are really accurate 15 mm SYW artillery models, and second, what manufacters or ranges do my esteemed brother-players use for their SYW 15 mm armies ?

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Re: 15 mm Artillery
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2012, 10:09:50 PM »
Hello PAB, I don't know how available they are where you are, but Old Glory seem very good, and are I think more recently sculpted than what I am guessing you are using. Also Blue Moon should meet your needs as well.

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Re: 15 mm Artillery
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2012, 01:29:08 AM »
Old Glory are fine, and you get a variety of barrels in the pack.  However, do not expect to be able to distinguish the "Austrian" 12 pdr from the Holzman pattern etc, the castings are very generic.

Miniature Figurines guns are cleanly cast in different calibres, but again are generic.

Eureka are expensive and not much better than Old Glory or MiniFigs, despite their claims to be specific to the armies of Prussia, Russia and Austria.  As far as I know they are the only people to do the Russian "secret" Licorn and oval-bore grape howitzer.

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Re: 15 mm Artillery
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2012, 03:16:45 AM »
PAB,

I had a look at your blog and I suspect that the unsatisfactory artillery that you purchased was from Essex Miniatures.  I would avoid them, and also Irregular Miniatures.  While some of their figures are OK, for the most part sculpting is crude and there are inaccuracies (for example, I bought some Irregular Miniatures Austrians for the Seven Years War and found that the sergeants were wearing sashes over the shoulder.  Since when did Austrian sergeants ever wear sashes?)

Essex do not show photos of their ranges on their web site.  Irregular Miniatures does have some photos.

The actual gun models from Old Glory are not that bad, but the accompanying gun crews are not good.  I purchased both the "British" artillery and the "Hanoverian" artillery but the figures were not only exactly the same but on closer examination seemed to be Austrians.  Neither their web site in the US nor that of their UK agents (Timecast) have photos of the figures.

As I said in my earlier reply, Miniature Figurines are cleanly cast and quite nice guns, but I would not purchase the crews.  No photos on the web site.

Eureka are also nice guns, with some national and calibre variation.  I have some Austrian 6 pdrs and a howitzer and they are perfectly good.  I found their Australian web site difficult to use and I would recommend that you look at the English agent's site (Fighting 15s) where you can see photos of the pieces.  They only do Austria, Russia and Prussia on the Fighting 15s site, but on the Australian site they show their new French range as well.  Unfortunately, buying from Australia is expensive.

You might like to look at the Peter Pig American War of Independence range (Range 5 on their web site).  They do a generic "battalion gun" and a generic "field gun".  They have photos on the web site.

Also have a look at Freikorps 15 (web site is LKM Direct.)  They have photos of their ranges.  You will also find French guns and crews.

I see that you are based in Fontainebleu.  A much nicer town than Versailles, I always think.

Stephen
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Re: 15 mm Artillery
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2012, 02:54:43 AM »
Dear Stephen,

My apologies for this long silence !

Thank you for the very well documented synthesis on the 15 mm SYW Artillery. For the moment I am building another army (Polish 1st Armoured Division 1944 - 1945) but as soon as I will have completed it I will visit all the addresses that you mention and make my own religion ...

Although, from my (limited) experience of playing M&R I wonder if Artillery is that usefull ... In my last 4 games artillery has inflicted a total losses of 1 SP ...

So for the moment, in my Prussian Army, I have swaped the Horse Artillery for a Grenadier Unit - far more effective !

Have you visited Fontainebleau ? It is true that this is a nice city. And the Palace is wonderfull !
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Re: 15 mm Artillery
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2012, 03:39:21 AM »
Hello PAB,

Although, from my (limited) experience of playing M&R I wonder if Artillery is that usefull ... In my last 4 games artillery has inflicted a total losses of 1 SP ...

Have you read this Thread ?
http://www.sammustafa.com/honour-forums/might-and-reason-discussion/what-to-do-with-guns/
Should be quite interesting for you.

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Re: 15 mm Artillery
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2012, 06:34:02 AM »
Dear PAB,

Welcome back!  Why are you building the Poles and not the Deuxieme DB?  Or do you already have Leclerc and Massu in your collections?

The thing about Might & Reason is that you have to play to your army's strengths, and that includes artillery.  It is good for forcing those fast-marching Prussians into FF, and if you are the Ottomans you need all those guns to crack open the lines of regulars which your poor quality regulars and feeble irregulars cannot beat.  Having just one or two guns is a waste of time - you need the grand batteries of Napoleon.

Yes, I have been to Fontainebleau.  I really like the intimacy of the palace and gardens.  Perhaps it is because I have only visited Versailles on very hot days, but that immense stone courtyard and the endless gravel paths in the gardens always make me think I am one of Bugeaud's men chasing the Kabyle across the Atlas Mountains.  Hot and thirsty work!

Also Chantilly.  I really enjoy going under that great triumphal arch next to the stables and finding a pretty little town on the other side.

Stephen

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Re: 15 mm Artillery
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2012, 03:28:25 AM »
Why are you building the Poles and not the Deuxieme DB?  Or do you already have Leclerc and Massu in your collections?
First, There is already a French 2nd DB in my Club.

Second, when I was at the stage of choosing an Army for WWII wargaming, my options were limited : No Germans, Americans or Soviets, there are too many of these armies on the gametables. Italians have outstanding cuisine, but with regard to their military efficiency during WWII I am rather dubious. "Minor" countries might be interresting but you don't have access to much equipment. Remaining were the British. Plenty of good equipment ... However, considering the numerous contentious issues between France and England, this including, but not limited to, Crecy, Agincourt, Joan of Arc, Minden,  the Great Upheaval, the Battle of the Nile, Trafalgar, Waterloo, Fachoda, Mers-El-Kebir, Dakar, ... it was out of question to play the Sons of Perfidious Albion. And suddenly, lux fuit : The Polish Armed Forces in the West !!! British equipment and organization, but not british. And what for service records !!! And it would have pleased my late grandfather who emigrated from Poland to France in 1923 ...

This is how I came to start the Polish 1st Armoured Division of 1944-45. After I will build the Polish 10th Cavalry Brigade of 1939 (Polish Army), and of 1940 (under French command and with French equipment) . And in the meantime recruit my Prussians and Austrians of the Lace Wars.

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Yes, I have been to Fontainebleau.  I really like the intimacy of the palace and gardens.
It is true that it is not as crowdy as Versailles - But when coaches release (drop ?) their hordes of Japanese or Chinese visitors in front of the Palace it looks like swarms of locusts ... If you like nice palaces you should visit the "Chateaux de la Loire", built during the Renaissance (Chambord, Chenonceaux, Blois, Amboise, ...). And if you like Middle-Age architecture Axel (aka Additz) has some good addresses in Germany !
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Re: 15 mm Artillery
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2012, 03:41:06 PM »
... And if you like Middle-Age architecture Axel (aka Additz) has some good addresses in Germany !
Well, I'm not an expert at all ... but I will be most pleased to recommend or even show interested people historical places ... and even more if they share the same hobby. I am honestly missing these days when DBM was the reason to travel all over Europe, play challenging games, meet nice people and drink beer with them ...  ::)

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BTW: Patrice, did you visit some of the places I recommended this summer?
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Re: 15 mm Artillery
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2012, 04:43:10 PM »
I am honestly missing these days when DBM was the reason to travel all over Europe, play challenging games, meet nice people and drink beer with them ...
Do you mean that there was something like an international tournaments circuit for DBM ? Really all over Europe ?
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did you visit some of the places I recommended this summer?
No, we stood home, because my son was expecting a baby (in fact, my son's girlfriend was expecting ...) and my wife wanted to stay close to them, to take care, help, advise, be there in case of ... in short be involved in everything from the colour of the baby's bedroom to the number and kind of swadding-clothes required ... so we did not move at all. And I am a grandfather since last saturday.
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Re: 15 mm Artillery
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2012, 04:15:19 AM »
Cher grandpere PAB,

Congratulations on the new arrival - I hope that mother and baby are doing well.

Retournons a nos moutons ... of course there has always been a connection between France and Poland - even before Napoleon and Marie Walewska and Prince Poniatowski.  As to other countries, I think that the Italians in Russia did well once they had been re-equipped by the Germans, so you could have a German-equipped Italian army, or even an American-equipped Italian army in 1944-5.  The Italians actually did quite well in North Africa, but were let down by their chronic lack of transport.  The Germans were able to drive away in retreat and the Italians could only walk.

I trust that your Austrians and Prussians of the Lace Wars (do you have the old books by the Funckens for this?) are merely to provide cannon-fodder for the armies of His Most Christian Majesty Louis XV.  When we visited the Loire some years ago we stayed in the clock tower of the home of the de Rouge family (you will have to imagine the accent acute) where there was a print of the gallant ancestor (tue a Vellinghausen, colonel en chef of the regiment de Rouge, also known as Belsunce, one of the vieux corps) and the chapel dedicated to the son who was lost at Verdun.  This was a real country family chateau, with the basse-cour, the ferme next to it and the stables opposite.  The present marquis is probably typical of the country nobility, plein d'honneur, pas d'argent.

I loved Chenonceau, particularly the toy ferme, and preferred it to Chambord.  Chinon is also a nice place, with the very block of stone that Jeanne d'Arc used to mount her horse.

Best wishes, vieux moustache

Stephen

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2012, 05:03:35 AM »
Mon cher Opa Patrice,
(how does that feel and sound ? ... okay in would be rather papi, right  ;))

Toutes mes félicitations à toute la famille !

Is it a boy? Did you already get the most important starter armies, dice & painting equipment for him ?  ::)
A girl? How nice. In that case get an Amazon army ...

All the best,
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Re: 15 mm Artillery
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2012, 12:38:20 PM »
Thank you very much for your greetings ... but may be the "Grandpère" or "Opa" were not really necessary ... I did not change that much ...

Here is a picture :

She's a girl, called ATHENAÏS - the same surname as the Marquise de Montespan, a lover of king Louis XIV ... all a program ... but with an ancestor playing the Lace Wars, what else could be expected ?

What concerns me, is that my son, a 32 years old boy (child ?), tries to communicate with his daughter by making strange noises like aro, aro, aro, bele, bele, bele, gazu, gazu, gazu ... I hope that this is not contagious !

Note : the "¨" on the "I" is very important as it make the "I" pronounced separatly from the"A" (A-EE) ... Else, the "AI" is pronounced like the english "AE", which is really not the same ...
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