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KeithS

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Re: Desert Fox?
« Reply #90 on: April 04, 2017, 04:28:13 PM »
Justin beat me to it, I too was going to ask for some information on army building for Rommel.  Having access to the army building chapter will be most helpful, thanks for considering posting the chapter early.  :)

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Re: Desert Fox?
« Reply #91 on: April 06, 2017, 04:05:48 PM »
I'm not so sure that posting more of Rommel, will help, it may just get you lots more queries about things that will become clear in the full rules. After all there are any number of historical OOBs out there and from the examples we already have we can get an idea of the general size and shape of elements. I know my 1944 British infantry division is going to have 9 battalions and 3 field regiments, what I don't know is under what circumstance is it better to attach a battalion of tanks rather than a medium artillery regiment.
What would be helpful was if the play testers could post some of their army lists along with pictures if possible. You get an idea of the size and balance of forces used in attack and defense and photos show how players have integrated terrain, casualty markers and identified separate elements.
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Re: Desert Fox?
« Reply #92 on: April 08, 2017, 10:45:08 AM »
I'm afraid that I disagree with Ilchester on this.  While I am naturally curious about how the rules will work that is not my primary interest at the moment.  The Rommel rules have awakened an interest in large scale WW2 gaming, whereas previously I have just played smaller level games.  Consequently I am currently interested in building some forces suitable for playing Rommel when it first appears, initially for late war Europe but eventually other theatres.  Even buying forces at 6mm or even 3mm scales this may be a significant expense, so an accurate view of what might be required would be most helpful.  For this the information the army building chapter would be invaluable.  Of course, I could guesstimate what might be required using the portion of the chapter already published and from my own knowledge of formation organisations and weaponry gleaned from other sources but nonetheless the relevant portion of the rules themselves would be the touchstone for any purchases that I would make.  I for one, would confine any posts that I make to general comments about the system and would not require any further detail about the rules themselves so as not to unduly take up the author's time or distract him.
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Re: Desert Fox?
« Reply #93 on: May 02, 2017, 01:03:21 PM »
Maybe I don't understand the concept of Army Building because I have always played historical scenarios or plausible what if (like the invasion of Malta).

But if one wants to construct a collection of units in historical proportions unit type/mix/number, there are references all over the web now like the Handbook on German Military Forces:
http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/tme30/index.html (I had a reprint copy since 1971!)
Or specifically divisions: http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/tme30/ch2sec5.html

But the German's were notorious about have numerous different organizations by numerous branches and periods of time. But when one is modelling companies as opposed to exactly how many submachinegunners that there might have been in a given squad or platoon, some of the minutiae drops out.

Reasons why I never worried about specific organizations so much is that
1. I always built masses of troops to pick and choose from, not a tray of a given unit's components.

2. I already have a lot of Frank Chadwick's Command Decision series of army/OB booklets which are down to # of platoons so one can disregard that level of detail and focus just on the combat companies. I assume that the service and admin companies are either not present or may be consolidated into a more general marker. In the scale of Rommel, they would be "on the board". Part of the reason for breaking through the enemy front was to "Hold them by the nose and kick them in the rear" (or something like that attributed to Patton) to get amongst the cooks and the artillery.

Anyway, perhaps others here know of other free references one could use to figure out how many and types of combat companies in various organizations?

PS There's an interesting article about German generals' debunking some of the Patton mystique here:
http://www.hoover.org/research/german-view-patton

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Re: Desert Fox?
« Reply #94 on: May 03, 2017, 11:38:11 AM »
Yes, there are readily available sources that indicate the various TO&Es of the Wehrmact and SS divisions, but none will have the points cost for Rommel.

Which is why I, and others, are wanting more, sooner rather than later, in that vein so we can make informed purchases towards the forces we plan on fielding at the release of the game.

Instead of spending $400 on gamut of available historical formations, I'd rather focus my expenditures to only those units I feel I want to has as a part of my army for the game. I am likely going with 6mm (if Baccus gets to releasing WWII vehicles this year) or with 10mm Pendraken and I truly do not wish to spend my gaming budget on units I cannot reasonably field in an 80 point game.

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Re: Desert Fox?
« Reply #95 on: May 19, 2017, 05:00:37 AM »
I am waiting impatiently as well.
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