Author Topic: Basing Again!  (Read 2269 times)

john de terre neuve

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 86
    • View Profile
    • Wargaming in 28mm and sometimes smaller
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2017, 01:00:39 PM »
It is, but I have already obtained around 100 GHQ vehicles on eBay, it is a lot of effort but cheaper. CinC miniatures are about 2/3 of the cost of GHQ and they have a discount system. Still waiting for them to show up. I am not really keen to pay the GHQ full price but there are some stuff that is only available there.

It is a project for sure.

John



Rappelez-vous quel Voltaire a dit; "Dieu n'est pas du côté des grands bataillons, mais est du côté de ceux qui tirent mieux"

KeithS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 85
    • View Profile
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2017, 02:39:23 PM »
Indeed but I imagine it will look impressive when you have finished.  :)

braxen

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 17
    • View Profile
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2017, 02:17:33 AM »
Here is more or less what I had in mind for my bases. Not sure yet whether I will flock or not.

« Last Edit: September 11, 2017, 02:19:31 AM by braxen »

KeithS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 85
    • View Profile
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2017, 08:50:21 AM »
I've been thinking about basing for 6 mm scale, since I have will be using relatively small terrain modules (100 x 100 mm) I have decided to go with 30 x 20 mm bases for vehicles and infantry, which seems to fit nicely a single vehicle or 5 infantry, which I will use in Rommel to represent a company.  Artillery are a bit more problematic as it might be necessary to include artillery figures and/or a tow as well as the guns so I will probably go with 30 x 30 mm for unlimbered guns and 40 x 20 mm for limbered guns being towed.  Since Rommel is agnostic about base sizes I don't see a problem with this.  The only fly is the ointment is that these base sizes will probably be quite fiddly to handle en masse, so I have come up with a solution albeit not a very original one.  When creating the bases I have placed one or two small neodymium magnets in holes drilled in the MDF base as I store the figures in steel drawers and the magnets hold them neatly in place.  Fortuitously, they will also hold them in place on a larger sabot style base which has a layer of steel paper attached.  Therefore I plan to order a number of 2 mm thick 65 x 45 mm thick MDF bases to which I will attach some steel paper that can be bought in green or sand colour from here http://www.magneticdisplays.co.uk/steel-paper.  This should allow me to fit up to 4 bases on the sabot for ease of movement, the only downside is with the 2 mm bases on top of a 2.5 mm sabot the figures will be on something of a pedestal but since my terrain is 2D top down style I don't think this will be too great a problem.

doctorphalanx

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 84
    • View Profile
    • doctorphalanx blog
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2017, 09:29:17 AM »
The main problem with 3mm models is to maintain contrast with the base finish so they continue to stand out. There's quite a lot posted about this on blogs and forums. Of the various approaches I'm most impressed by 'neon popping'. It's unrealistic close to but works at a distance.

http://www.thewargameswebsite.com/forums/topic/painting-3mm-1600-vehicles-and-figures/

braxen

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 17
    • View Profile
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2017, 03:29:50 PM »
The main problem with 3mm models is to maintain contrast with the base finish so they continue to stand out. There's quite a lot posted about this on blogs and forums. Of the various approaches I'm most impressed by 'neon popping'. It's unrealistic close to but works at a distance.

http://www.thewargameswebsite.com/forums/topic/painting-3mm-1600-vehicles-and-figures/

that's exactly the reason why I am hesitating to put flock   :-\

I like quite a lot though the effect of the PZ IV H on the bottom left of the picture from your article


doctorphalanx

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 84
    • View Profile
    • doctorphalanx blog
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2017, 03:46:04 PM »
You currently have the contrast but the bases look incomplete. If you flock them you will probably need to highlight the vehicles with a fairly vibrant green. I hasten to add that I've never yet attempted this approach myself but I'm impressed by the logic. It''s sort of Impressionistic I suppose. All about the perception of dark and light rather than the literal application of a given colour. Small models need some help.

john de terre neuve

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 86
    • View Profile
    • Wargaming in 28mm and sometimes smaller
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2017, 01:13:58 AM »
Quote
The main problem with 3mm models is to maintain contrast with the base finish so they continue to stand out. There's quite a lot posted about this on blogs and forums. Of the various approaches I'm most impressed by 'neon popping'. It's unrealistic close to but works at a distance.

I have to say that is one of the most interesting posts I have read for quite sometime, thanks for sharing the link,

John
Rappelez-vous quel Voltaire a dit; "Dieu n'est pas du côté des grands bataillons, mais est du côté de ceux qui tirent mieux"

KeithS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 85
    • View Profile
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2017, 03:21:06 AM »
The main problem with 3mm models is to maintain contrast with the base finish so they continue to stand out. There's quite a lot posted about this on blogs and forums. Of the various approaches I'm most impressed by 'neon popping'. It's unrealistic close to but works at a distance.

Although it does seem a little contradictory to make your vehicles look unrealistic so that your terrain can be realistic.  :)

SteveBurt

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 409
    • View Profile
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2017, 07:33:18 AM »
I was quite interested in the 3mm stuff until I saw it for real. The tanks don't really look much like their real counterparts at all - they all seem squashed vertically somehow. Whereas 6mm stuff usually looks very good.
So while 3mm is a nice idea for operational level, I think maybe 6mm is as small as I'd go for now (been toying with the idea for years, but I have so much 20mm stuff......)

KeithS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 85
    • View Profile
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2017, 08:11:22 AM »
I was quite interested in the 3mm stuff until I saw it for real. The tanks don't really look much like their real counterparts at all - they all seem squashed vertically somehow. Whereas 6mm stuff usually looks very good.
So while 3mm is a nice idea for operational level, I think maybe 6mm is as small as I'd go for now (been toying with the idea for years, but I have so much 20mm stuff......)

The way I see it is that even using 3 mm with 3 models to a base in Rommel that means that roughly each model represents a platoon of 5 tanks, so you are still out by a factor of 5 in terms of real to tabletop.  So you may as well bite the bullet and use a single good quality 6 mm tank to represent a company and be out by a factor of 15.  Not that I have anything against 3 mm, if  you like the look of them more power to you, after all the do fit the ground scale a bit better, albeit not perfectly.

john de terre neuve

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 86
    • View Profile
    • Wargaming in 28mm and sometimes smaller
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2017, 02:26:30 PM »
I have no bases yet which is a bit of a hold-up (using metal) but I have been doing some mock ups. I am using a 1:5 ratio in 1/285 scale. The card the AFV's are on is the size of the planned bases 70x45mm.
I thought I would follow doctorphalanx's suggestion and try to put something bright on each vehicle. I am happy with the Italian flag on the Semovente, but the nazi flag is much less impressive plus it could very well look like the 7th armored brigade.

Does anyone have any suggestions on something very simple to paint which will stick out on the DAK vehicles.

Thanks,

John
Rappelez-vous quel Voltaire a dit; "Dieu n'est pas du côté des grands bataillons, mais est du côté de ceux qui tirent mieux"

SteveBurt

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 409
    • View Profile
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2017, 01:29:17 AM »
For DAK vehicles, a white palm tree on a dark background (the real DAK logo has a swastika at the root of the tree, but you won't see that in 1:300 scale!)

john de terre neuve

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 86
    • View Profile
    • Wargaming in 28mm and sometimes smaller
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2017, 02:51:17 AM »
Might be tricky to paint at that scale! I was talking more about 1-2 blogs of colour.

John

Rappelez-vous quel Voltaire a dit; "Dieu n'est pas du côté des grands bataillons, mais est du côté de ceux qui tirent mieux"

Osmoses

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 42
    • View Profile
Re: Basing Again!
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2017, 04:34:21 AM »
70 x 45 is ideal for 6" squares I think. I did mine on 60 x 40 but, in hindsight, the extra space would have been useful.