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lanceflint59

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Re: Volley! 2017 at a Farnborough.
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2017, 02:51:09 PM »
Hi Tony,
That's a shame, but hopefully see you both later in the year?
Regards, Lance.

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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2017, 05:25:42 PM »
Lance

We will of course love to come to the next event. Have a great day.

Tony

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Re: Volley! 2017 at a Farnborough.
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2017, 01:57:10 AM »
Hi all,

Plane : Booked
Train: Booked
Figurines : Painted

I'm ready...  ;D ;D

looking forward to see all of you.

Olivier M " Frenchy guy"

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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2017, 02:23:29 PM »
Good stuff!
We are currently at 12 players, no news from the Guildford club as yet though.
Cheers, Lance.

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2017, 08:25:47 AM »
Hi there,
Lists for Volley! 2017 please!
One in only so far.
Cheers, Lance.

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Re: Volley! 2017 at a Farnborough.
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2017, 04:36:29 AM »
Hi there,
If we can assemble ready for a first round start at nine o'clock prompt please.
Unfortunately we are down to nine after several last miniature withdrawls, I will drop out to avoid any byes.
There will be two "teams" due to the army choices, so it is Prussia vs the Rest! This will avoid any Prussian, or any other for that matter, civil wars and also keep club mates separate as much as possible. But we have some very good players and plenty of experience.
Remember to bring cash for the council parking God, see you all tomorrow.
Lance.

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Re: Volley! 2017 at a Farnborough.
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2017, 11:38:51 AM »
Well done all.
We had;
E Prussian
3 L Prussian
E French
Russian
Austrian
E British

Lots of very close calls, desperate die rolls and momentum going through the floor!
Overall the Russians came out way ahead, followed by L Prussian and the Austrians.

I will run another event late in the year.
Regards to all, Lance.

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Re: Volley! 2017 at a Farnborough.
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2017, 07:56:25 AM »
It is interesting that the Russian came out way ahead
In our Scharnhurst campaign,they have been a tough army to balance for the columns

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Re: Volley! 2017 at a Farnborough.
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2017, 09:50:01 AM »
Hi Mike,
Well they were well led, but what made a difference was the lack of opponents with the skirmish ability as they were always up against Prussians. That seemed to suit their strengths and didn't reveal the weaknesses?
It is really good that despite the relative simplicity of the rules the national characteristics really shine through.
Lance.

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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2017, 11:18:48 AM »
Spanish have been our most successful by far in the Scharnhurst campaigns
Followed by the Turks
Mike p

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Re: Volley! 2017 at a Farnborough.
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2017, 11:46:32 AM »
Hi lance,

can we have a report of the tournament ? How many draw ?, victory ?,  compositions of the 3 first army ?

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Olivier "french frustrated man" :-[

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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2017, 12:33:41 PM »
Hi Olivier,
Well our resident stats man was away on a family engagement this time, and to be quite honest some of the information previously supplied has simply caused unnecessary dialogue that hasn't really achieved very much.
However there were certain trends.
We had 8 experienced players, who all managed to achieve a close draw in the first round. This rapidly changed and then clear wins poured in. I don't think it was a lack of time, more a case of the generals needing to 'warm up'?
There was a wide range of artillery choices, from the maximum six down to nothing. This didn't seem to have a big impact on results though.
British continue to struggle in an open environment. The balance between quality and survivability seems very difficult to achieve.
Quality shock units featured quite widely and certainly left their mark on the enemy. I think players have a better plan of how to use them now.
Overall there was rather too many cavalry brigades about and at 200 points they tend to dominate the battle a little too much for my liking. But I have no plans to adjust this as terrain features quite significantly in their use and this can vary from game to game.
The small list changes for the competition environment, the terrain rules and deployment are all finalised now and work consistantly well.
The three game format is enough to generate interest and make travelling worthwhile without being too tiring.
I will run another event at the end of the year, as usual.
Maybe see you then?
Regards, Lance.

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Re: Volley! 2017 at a Farnborough.
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2017, 12:52:48 PM »
Hi Lance,
it sounds as if the competition went well, I'm sorry I couldn't make it but hope to be there for your next one.

Russ

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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2017, 01:31:37 PM »
I was the winning Russian, and I'll keep my army composition secret in case I use it again  ;)

Lance, you write that "The small list changes for the competition environment, the terrain rules and deployment are all finalised now and work consistently well." I disagree.

The lack of skirmishers in the Prussian army was irrelevant as, due to the format of the competition set up system, in a competition designed army the infantry are fundamentally useless. I was talking to Paddy about this after the first game when I got a 16 - 14 result against him. The only infantry involvement in that game was a single unit of mine firing at skirmish range on the last turn. Because the armies start lined up opposite each other, you send out cavalry to scout, drive off enemy scouts and prevent your enemy from reserve moving anything else very far. Then you spend MO moving the cavalry around as the infantry spectate. Over all the three games there were no infantry combats initiated by either my opponents or myself. I inflicted three hits from infantry fire, and took about eight in return.

In every Scharnhorst game I've played the infantry have been involved from the start. Having spoken to Paddy, Steve and others, I know several of us would much rather turn up for a competition in which Scharnhorst is used, than one in which it isn't. It only takes 10 minutes, and the extra time spent on it would be compensated for by more interesting games, not dicing for terrain, the attacker and defender already sorted, and the fact that Infantry will be useful again.

To further speed things, the umpire could set which map is used in each round, and along with the army list, the players could submit what columns and scouts they're using beforehand, and any exceptions for differing nationalities. Please, let's at least try one competition with Scharnhorst to see how it goes before dismissing it out of hand.

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Re: Volley! 2017 at a Farnborough.
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2017, 02:38:35 PM »
Nothing is dismissed out of hand. I consider everyone's view and opinion and only after much thought and deliberation take a decision for the overall benefit of the event.
Scharnhorst will take much more than 10 minutes for the average player to work through and the result may be that the resulting battle is not actually worth fighting? Although some players may be very conversant with the intricacies of Scharnhorst, the majority are not, and my intention was to engage as many gamers, especially those who do not usually compete, as possible.
If infantry are not getting to grips then that is partially because people take armies with a 50/50 cavalry infantry composition. Something that I have highlighted in the past as being a problem.
I hold no particular remit over events such as Volley! and would delighted for others to run a Blucher based meeting, whether competitive or not.
I am all too aware that you can't please all of the people all of the time!
Cheers, Lance.