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pmiranda

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Newbie needs guidance!
« on: February 02, 2017, 01:34:22 PM »
Hi there,

I'm a veteran board wargames player and I've heard enough good things about Sam's games that I'm tempted to give "miniatures" a try, but I don't know where to start. Here are some of the questions I'm asking myself:

- It appears some of the games feature professionally printed cards while others are print'n'play, i.e. you need to print stuff yourself. I don't have enough budget to invest in minis, but I'd like decent quality cards, so my first question is: which games offer professionally printed cards?

- The different games seem to use different systems. For instance, do Maurice and Blücher use the same system? Apparently some games use "action cards" while others don't. Any game system you would recommend? (note that I have no real preference over era)

- Do some of the games offer terrain cards? Same thing here, I don't have the budget for 3d scenery (plus I find it gets in the way anyway) so I'd appreciate having flat "terrain tiles" I could play on. Is this available?

- I much prefer playing historical scenarios, rather than spending time building an army with a point-system. Do some of these games feature historical scenarios?

Taking all this into consideration, would you recommend a particular product? Most grateful for your advice!

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Re: Newbie needs guidance!
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2017, 02:53:47 PM »
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which games offer professionally printed cards?

Maurice, Longstreet, Aurelian, and Freejumper are card-driven games.  Might & Reason, Lasalle, and Blücher are not.

In all cases, you can download "lite" versions of the cards and do them yourself, or buy the color printed sets. Aurelian and Freejumper allow you to download the complete card sets for free.

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The different games seem to use different systems.

Correct. All are different.

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Do some of the games offer terrain cards?

Maurice and Longstreet use them in their campaign systems.

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I much prefer playing historical scenarios, rather than spending time building an army with a point-system. Do some of these games feature historical scenarios?

All of the games other than Aurelian and Freejumper offer historical scenarios.  There are a number available on the Forum as well.

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would you recommend a particular product?

Probably Blücher.  You can do historical scenarios, don't need any miniatures to get started, can play the whole thing with cards instead of figures if you want.

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Re: Newbie needs guidance!
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2017, 05:22:48 AM »
Many thanks for your feedback!

Aurelian and Freejumper are no gos for me, considering the lack of historical scenarios, then. I'm hesitating between the three games below and would appreciate clarifying what is exactly included with each purchase:

- Regarding Blucher and Might & Reason. I understand the games don't use action cards, but that minis can be replaced with unit cards. Are these unit cards provided in print-friendly format in the PDF download? Are professionally printed unit cards also available?

- Regarding Maurice (looks like an interesting option, because I I assume action cards provide a bit more chaos and personality), does the "Complete Maurice Card Set" include professionally printed unit AND action cards?

- Lastly, where can I see some samples of unit cards? Artwork will certainly also play an important part in my purchasing decision.

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Re: Newbie needs guidance!
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2017, 08:30:56 AM »

Just to Clarify...

Blucher is game where you can use Unit cards instead of miniatures (and if you do, you can use maps / flat boards for scenery and it be kind of cool) and uses tape measures and Dice for 'resolution mechanics'. You can get card sets for 'armies' from a print on demand service that comes professionally sorted out.

Might and Reason is a 'traditional' wargame, no cards, designed for dice and models

Maurice uses miniatures and tape measures and scenery, but uses cards to control and influence the actions and handle things like notable sub commanders and national characteristics.

So, Blucher is the easiest game to buy and play - no models needed

Maurice is indeed made interesting by its action cards (not to say Blucher ISN'T interesting!) but assumes you have the 'kit' for traditional wargaming

Might & Reason covers similar ground to Maurice, but without the cards

Sorry if you'd already wrapped your head around that but I wasn't sure - your comment about Unit Cards for Maurice (which doesn't have them) made me think you didn't.

You can find links to sample Blucher cards with a bit of hunting in the Blucher forums, you should also be able to find links to where one can get the cards which usually shows previews. Note that some samples may be from the Printed Expansions (which you will now struggle to find in shops) so might not exactly match the Print on Demand stuff, although quality is similar.


From what you're asking I'd also recommend Blucher, it was, it's sort of a gateway to miniatures in some way as it plays like a miniatures game without the models :)

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Re: Newbie needs guidance!
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2017, 10:54:01 AM »
Many thanks for the explanations!
In that case, I believe I should go for Blucher, and buy the "War To The Death" expansion (or "The Hundred Days"), which to my understanding provide professionally printed unit cards?

One more question regarding playing with unit cards instead of minis. How do people represent terrain, usually, considering there's no mapboard?

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Re: Newbie needs guidance!
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2017, 10:58:10 AM »
Just found the pictures and the link to "Cigar Box Battle Mats"!  8)