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doctorphalanx

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Re: Hannut 1940
« Reply #60 on: May 02, 2018, 10:54:36 AM »
Thanks for the recognition, although it wouldnít have developed as accurately without Robís help.

AFAICR all the files were attached here and should still be available and/or were put in a publicly shared directory. That link should also be in this thread. Anyone tackling this scenario might benefit from reading the whole thread as it will shed light on some of the design decisions.

Iíve no plans to revise the files unless and until they are actually play-tested, and even then I would have to find the time, energy and active interest Iím currently lacking. Sorry, but thatís life. But, of course, anyone is free to adapt or develop the scenario as they wish.

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Re: Hannut 1940
« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2018, 01:22:43 AM »
My apologies, I did not wish to single anyone out for the credit of this great work, clearly a group effort.  Thanks to everyone for the work effort so far.
Happy to PM, how do exchange email addresses without risk of being spammed? Please forgive my naivety at all this technology!
I have posted some pictures on the various 6mm groups in Facebook: the Brevity game using Kallistra Hexon terrain. I will be using a square grid for Hannut though.
Happy to post photos and summary of the game after Little Wars 2 June

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Re: Hannut 1940
« Reply #62 on: May 05, 2018, 06:52:53 AM »

I played through the start of the second day. It didnít go so well for the Germans. At the end of the basic game the Germans were looking fairly good. The Germans held Hannut, Wansin, the minor river line and surrounded several French units. Then things fell apart. If the day had ended right then, the French would have been in trouble.
The French made attacks everywhere. The surrounded units helped to get flank attacks on three adjacent squares each. Fives and sixes poured from the French as the Germans only managed one 3 as their highest score. The French destroyed 7 German Armor units with out a single loss. At night fall The Germans lost 12 units and the French only lost 8 (3 armor). A large gap opened in the German line. Over night they regained 3 armor and brought 7 units back to full strength. The French restored 5 units.
Then if things hadnít gone bad enoughÖ The French won the roll to move first. They rushed through the gap and destroyed the German Artillery.  As I ran out of time I wrapped it up. The German reinforcements would not enter until the end of the German players turn.

I played this solo using the extra OPS and tactics that would be used in a game of four players. It may play differently with four players but it really seemed about right. As someone said, roll sixes and hope the enemy rolls ones. Hopefully the rolls will even out.

Notes:
After the play tests I agree with most of the OPS file changes except the removal of the 88ís tactic. I do not expect some will agree but after reexamining the TO&Es from several sources and some accounts of the battles it is warranted. (not necessarily for the reasons it was originally intended for). There were 138 37mm ATGs (useless against the French tanks at more that point blank range), 27 88mms (18 in the 3rd Pz Div and 9 in the 4th).  [There were only 4 in each of Rommelís Pak fronts]  The heaver guns were also used as direct fire vs the tanks (due to the ineffectiveness of the 37mm ATG and most tank guns.)  Perhaps as an optional rule to let it remain.
One that looks good is the Stukaís Event but it seems that I forgot to add it to my OPS file and did not use it. (my bad!)

All in All, I did not find any problems with the scenario at least for the first day. I am satisfied enough with it to make it a go for Bayou Wars next month.

I am sorry I didnít do a turn for turn write up or pics. Things were just to hectic.

Gary

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Re: Hannut 1940
« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2018, 04:19:50 AM »
I wonder if French doctrine might be reflected by restricting French armor units to movement of 1 square in the tactical phase. If this has already been discussed in this post, I apologize--I have not read everything yet but this scenario design is outstanding!

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Re: Hannut 1940
« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2018, 08:15:18 PM »
I have not seen or heard of such an option.
I am open to hearing your thoughts but it sounds a bit harsh.

I have spent most of my time gearing up for Bayou Wars coming up June 6th.
I am scheduled to run a desert scenario Friday morning then the Blucher scenario of Borodino in the evening.
On Saturday I am running the Hannut scenario from 2-6. Depending on the interest I will run it again in the evening or possibly another Desert scenario.

Gary

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Re: Hannut 1940
« Reply #65 on: June 02, 2018, 03:15:21 PM »
Played the full game at Little Wars in Melbourne yesterday. A German victory, having secured the two objectives and isolated the French north of the river.
Day 1 of the game was not a good day at the office for 4th Pz Div. It didnít help that I rolled ones for most combats! Gott in Himmel!!
The French proved to be quite stoic in their defence.
Day 2, and 3rd Pz Div arrived and sped along the northern flank; the French sensing the German plan, pulled back. 4th Pz pushed forward to secure the southern flank of the 4th. This also fixed the French in this sector.
Both objectives were taken, and although the French tried to pull back 4th Pz moved quickly to surround the French, isolating the units north of the river. The game was over after turn 17 on day 2. So a total of 29 turns played in just under 6 hours.
Iíve posted pictures in the various 6mm FB group pages under Charlie Egham

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Re: Hannut 1940
« Reply #66 on: June 05, 2018, 04:43:01 AM »
I am running the scenario at Bayou Wars in Biloxi this Saturday the 9th.
Can you give any pointers or suggestions?
1. How many starting OPS  did you use?
2. Did you use the modified OPS sheets?
3. Any other thing that might help?
Gary

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Re: Hannut 1940
« Reply #67 on: June 15, 2018, 01:32:37 AM »
We started with 4 ops each
Re ops sheets, we went with the stock standard ones
Other tips would be to use the standard unit base ratings, but add more Pz I & 2 to the mix of the force.
The work the guys have done has been excellent, and weíve only played this scenario once; and had a lot of fun!

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Re: Hannut 1940
« Reply #68 on: June 15, 2018, 11:03:04 AM »
I ran Hannut Saturday at Bayou Wars. We used the modified OPS sheets with 6 German and 3 French starting OPS. using the historical set-up. We started with 9 players but added nothing to OPS or extra OP sheets. One person dropped out during the first turn.

I will say up front that we had to many new players. The first two turns took an hour to get through. Considering the noise of the convention and only a few players had even heard of 'Rommel'  it went well. Everyone had fun. By the forth turn most people were playing on their own. Most of the time was taken as players discussed what they should do.

We did not get through the first day and things were to close to call a winner. The Germans said they were winning and  so did the French. As everyone enjoyed the game, I call it a success. Isn't the point to have fun.

I suggest that four players would have been a better number of players but the interest was greater than I anticipated. Every one that wanted to play was allowed to. It was to hectic (loud) to actually make an AAR but I will try to get a few pics up when I can.
Gary




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Re: Hannut 1940
« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2018, 03:59:59 AM »
@Ray29 @Gary1946

What are your thoughts on the scenario having played it?  Do you think it works as is or was anything hugely imbalanced? Is it too big as a single scenario for Rommel?

Would be great to see some pictures here (or anywhere other than facebook!)

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Re: Hannut 1940
« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2018, 12:20:56 AM »
We thought the scenario was fine. A real challenge for the Germans, as it should be. Even the French had their own challenges. Kudos to the scenario designers.
My opponent and I had only played one game before, yet we managed to complete the whole scenario in one day, that included interruptions from interested bystanders.
Iím unable to post pictures here (I have posted on Facebook), I can email a couple to you if interested?