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Hardlec

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basics of getting started:
« on: April 08, 2016, 05:56:25 PM »
I am getting started with a pair of 15mm armies. 

Would 1inch by 1 inch bases be good, or should I consider 2 inch square bases? 

How big (in terms of footprint) should the terrain be?  Should my farmhouse be in 15mm scale? 
Having walked more than a few sites where battles occurred, terrain was pretty minimal, by choice.

Is it possible to scale things down in terms of army size to play on a 4x4 foot table?  with 1 inch bases, 48x48 inches would mean that the forces begin out of contact and one or both sides need to maneuver. 


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Re: basics of getting started:
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2016, 07:21:06 PM »
If you're using only 1" bases, then you'll have to scale the table way down, to no more than 4 feet wide.  A 3 x 4' table would be more than enough.

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Re: basics of getting started:
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2016, 02:38:50 PM »
Being able to use a small table has advantages.  Sometimes a big battle is good, but often a smaller battle on a smaller table is good. 
Not every game has to be Manassas or  Gettysburg.

A big advantage I see with a 1 inch base is that a yardstick can be used without numerical modification

i am still curious about the amount of terrain.  Will a single farm/farmhouse be good? 

BTW:  I plan to purchase Scott Washburns' 15mm paper troops.  As much as I love making terrain, I want to attract players, not intimidate people with too much expectation.

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Re: basics of getting started:
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2016, 03:30:18 PM »
Hey Hardlec,

We use 6mm figures with a bases of 30mm square so only slightly bigger than your smaller option and we play scenario generated games on a 1200mm wide by 1000mm deep play area. There's plenty of room to move around. Plus it allows us to play much bigger games on the regular 1800mm x 1200mm table.

I would say using 15mm figures you should use whatever base size you like the look of best. How many figures fit well on a 25mm square base?

The scenarios give you a good idea of terrain saturation but really go with what you want to represent the 'historical' situation you are trying to depict.

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Re: basics of getting started:
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2016, 03:45:51 AM »
Hardlec,

we use 1 inch square bases with our 15mm Longstreet battles.  4 inf per base looks fantastic.  I based them all NOT in neat ranks and files but rather so you could see all 4 figs from the front and a 40 fig Regiment looks impressive.  There is no daylight between figures.  2 cav per base, 2 dismounted cav per base.  Had to extend the artillery to 1.5 inches deep to get the gun and 3 crew on.  We use 15mm upto 20mm round bases for heroes and the like.

As for table size, we haven't had any issues with 4 feet deep.  5 feet was too far.  Width wise depends.  We decided "to hell with it" and made our commands double sized.  Once I started painting them I didn't actually want to stop.  So we usually set up a 6 foot x 4 foot table with around 70-80 bases per side.  A footnote here, we draw extra campaign cards but we keep the action deck and hand size of 6 cards the same.  If there is any difference, it is that a lot more units can engage in a turn and it actually makes using cards for morale a lot more of a sacrifice.  We like it better this way and (God help us) are working on triple commands!  :-)

Regarding terrain, and due to the expanded size, I decided to make two sizes.  Bigger pieces for "initial" setup and then smaller pieces for the random terrain card placements.  We still use the scenario's but with more substantial terrain pieces and then add the smaller bits.

As for buildings, I usually subscribe to the "one scale down" rule.  So for 15mm I'd usually use 10mm buildings.  But as Longstreet is Regiments of individually based companies we went with a few 15mm buildings.  They look great.  And as our fences and walls (and trees and every other damn thing) are pretty much in 15mm scale I think the bigger buildings were a good choice.

Good luck with it.  It is well worth the effort.

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Re: basics of getting started:
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2016, 11:15:08 AM »
My plan is to buy a confederate and a union "army" from Scott Washburn.  I have a good bit of 15mm terrain from my Flames of War days. 

I'm trying to start with an eye-catching attractive table.

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Re: basics of getting started:
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2016, 01:23:37 PM »
Our 15mm armies are also based to be able to be used with the Regimental Fire & Fury rules. So infantry 3-to-a-base on a 1"x0.75". Cavalry on a 1" square and Artillery... I think on 1"x1.5" - but I could be wrong as I'm sat at work right now.

We played our first game a couple weekends back and found a 6x4' table for a basic game worked fine, with a lot of maneuvering in the early turns to get good firing lines and charge lanes, also giving our cavalry some room to zoom about as they should do!

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Re: basics of getting started:
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2016, 09:30:21 AM »
Our 15mm armies use a BW of 1". With five (3x2) or 6 (3x3) figures per base, this looks great. As for table size, if you do the math from what details you can gather from the rule book, then regardless of what BW you choose (1", 2", 3", 4",  25mm, 30mm, 40mm, and so on) a good playing area should be about 48BW x 36BW. If you are using 1" BWs, then an area of about 48" by 36" is good.

Never understood why Sam did that. He used a variable BW system for the game, but then for the scenarios and whatnot used a fixed measurement like feet or inches instead of BWs.

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Re: basics of getting started:
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2016, 03:09:08 PM »
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