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our campaign charts
« on: May 13, 2017, 01:08:47 AM »
Hi
After playing one off battles since purchasing the rules when they were released, the time has come to fight a campaign.    We now have enough 10mm armies to run the campaign, 2 Roman, 1 Persian, 1 German, 1 Sarmation and a further German and Ostragoth army being painted.   We expect that the armies on the table will lack many of the nobles and  veterans that have so far been heroes of our battles.

Please have a look at the attached charts as we are using a random army generator, however it is slanted towards having a roman force and it will not allow a Persian vs German battle.

The Adelaide hills will again ring to the clash of steel and the groans as the generals cards run out.

Cheers Martin
   

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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2017, 09:30:07 PM »
Hi
Last night we fought the first of our campaign battles
I was the first [layer and rolled a 7 (Roman) Peter was the second player and rolled a 5 ((Persian).  Phil assisted the attacker.
Peter allocated more pips to his Aggression Die roll  and chose the Assault scenario.
The army's were selected as below
Persian
6  Paigans   (as required by the campaign ruules)
1 Elephant
5 Cataphart
5 Trained Cavalry
Fates
2 Avantage Cards 
Spy
1 unit upgraded to Household
Logistics officer   (chosen fate as per the rules)
Roman
2 Veteran Cohorts
3 Experienced Cohorts
3 Raw Cohorts
1 Clibanarii
1 Armoured Cavalry
2 Slingers and archers
2 Sarmation Cavalry
1 Sarmation Warriors
Fates
2 Artillery
1 Priest
1 Upgrade  (I chose to upgrade an Experience cohort to Veteran)
Logistics Officer      (chosen fate as per the rules)  I burn through cards like it is going put of fashion

Peter and Phil fought an aggressive battle and I left myself open as I set up to close to the centre line and was charged by the cataphracts and the Elephant  on the first move.  The Elephants engaged a veteran cohort and I spent the whole battle rallying that unit and fighting of the elephants.  (When I use them they fight, loose and stomp on one of my own units on the way out) 
The end result was a Roman victory after I exhausted  the Persians, but I only had 4 cards left myself and was 1 move off of losing my baggage.

The next battle will be Phil fighting as a Roman (As  he was the assisting player) and Peter as an Ostrogoth.
I have attached the updated the charts with a few changes and the battle results.

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Re: our campaign charts
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2017, 11:45:54 AM »
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(When I use them they fight, loose and stomp on one of my own units on the way out) 

Yeah, that sounds about right...

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Re: our campaign charts
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2017, 03:56:21 AM »
Hi
This is the army list for the Ostrogoths that we are using in the campaign. Please note that the list only uses troop types, cards and fates that are used in the game.  We expect that there may be adjustments.

Cheers Martin

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Re: our campaign charts
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2017, 08:53:02 AM »
Very interesting. This would make Sir Tobi very happy.

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Re: our campaign charts
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2017, 02:44:42 PM »
Hi
Friday night will be our first foray with the experimental Ostrogoth list and as Martin said we expect it to be a bit of an evolutionary process.

Cheers
Peter

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Re: our campaign charts
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2017, 11:46:34 PM »
Hi
The second battle of our campaign was fought last night. Phil as a Roman and Peter as a Ostrogoth.
These were our armies
Roman
1 Veteran Cohort
2 Experienced cohorts 
4 Raw Cohorts ( 1 cohort was upgraded to Experienced as per the Fates roll)
2 Auxilary Archers
1 Clibanarii
2 Armoured Cavalry
2 Archers and Slingers
2 Sarmation Horse Archers
Ostrogoth
3 Massed Archers
3 Warriors
4 Noble Cavalry
4 Cavalry
3 Archers and Slingers
The following fates were rolled
Roman
1 clubman
Spy
1 upgrade
1 unit upgraded to Household
Chosen Fate   Logistic Officer
Ostrogoth
2 units upgraded to Household
2 Advantage cards
1 hero

The Assault senerion was selected by Phil.
During the first turn the Ostrogoths dealt themself the dream hand, all high number cards. The Romans hand was the opposite, all low cards.  As Phil had the first turn, he played his spy and managed to remove one of the advantage cards and discarded 4 of the remaining 5 cards.  This was a body blow to Ostrogoths.  A classic Roman advance followed which eventually lead to a victory. Another really good game.
We are still trying to work out how to use a horse archer, I am going to have to work it out in the next fortnight as I am going to be a Sarmation leader and will need to defeat Peter as a Romman General.  Never an easy task.       

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Re: our campaign charts
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2017, 12:02:47 AM »
Hi
The third battle in our campaign was fought last night and what a good game it was.
Peter was using his Roman army for the first time in the campaign and was able to select his force with no restrictions, as I was the Sarmation player I also had the same advantage.   As the player of a barbarian force I decided to select a force to enable me to be as agressive as possible.   I won the agression roll and selected the raid senerio, the reasoning behind this decision was that as the Roman player Peter would without doubt select the Logistic officer and use him to replace 6 cards during during the game.  The raid card forced Peter to discard cards at the begining of the game and allowed me to redeem 3 cards for each of the baggage bases move off of the table. 
The forces selected were
Peter's Romans
1 x Veteran Cohort
3 x Experienced Cohorts
3 x Raw Cohorts
4 x Armoured Cavalry
4 x Archers and Slingers
1 x German warband
My Sarmations
1 x Amazon
2 x Noble Cavalry
2 x Cavalry
4 x Horse Archers
5 x Archers and Slingers

Roman Fates
2 Advantage cards
2 Household
1 Logistic Officer  (Chosen)
Sarmation Fates
3 Advantage Cards
Confident
Hero (attached to a Nobel base)       

As my best defence seems to be, attack no matter what the situation.  I made the fist line the Horse archers. The second line the nobles and amazon unit(central unit) with the  2 cavalry units on their flanks.  The infantry provided the third line.  During the first turn I used extensive missile fire then charged through with the massed cavalry.  Any retreat placed me behind the horse archers and I repeated the fire first and charge immediately afterwards.
What have we learnt so far.
You must have a plan
Stick to your plan, you cann't change your mind mid game.
Co-ordinate missile fire and charges.
Only rally key units or units that will protect your baggage.
Use your terrain.
Always try to control the game through good tactics.
Enjoy the game, losing not that bigger deal.

How does the campaing benefit  play.
Our next battle is the forth one, Phil as the assisting player rolled the dice as the 1st player (rolling a 6, Ostragoth) Peter won the rolloff for the second player and rolled a 5 (Persia) .  Both armies have been used in the campaign and as such must be built around the massed units remaining from thier forces last battle.  Neither Phil or Peter accumulated Glory points last night so they will not be purchasing any further elite units.  This means that you will not always be fighting with your favorite units and will have to make do and adapt your battle plan to what is availiable.

More after the next battle.

       

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Re: our campaign charts
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2017, 05:56:23 AM »
Hi
I have amended the campaign rules slightly so that the d8 player (first player) uses the glory a earnt as a player not an assisting player as using glory point awarded as assisting player will always place them at a disadvantage.

The changes have been underlined in the chart.

Who would ever attempt to write war game rules, wou;ld sen you nuts.

Cheers Martin


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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2017, 02:28:58 AM »
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Who would ever attempt to write war game rules, wou;ld sen you nuts.

It's a sickness.

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2017, 06:24:22 AM »
Hi
Last friday night we fought the forth battle in our campaign.  The difference in the forces was evident in this battle as both the Ostrogoth and Persian armies had fought earlier in the campaign.  Phil had the problem of not having glory points to purchase elite units and Phil only used one glory point to purchase a base of Optimates.

This indeed proved to be a diferent battle with the Persians taking a defensive position on the top of a long ridge that spanned 3 squares with their right flank protected by a wood and their left flank protcted by 3 Cataphract bases. 

The Ostrogoths conducted a frontal assault preceeded by archery fire from the 4 auxilary archer bases. The Ostragoth also attacted the Persian Cataphracts and tribal cavalrt on our right flank.  I commanded the cavalry and I think i nearly lost the battle after losing 2 noble ccavalry bases.  Phil managed to take the objective base in a  wood at the rear of the hil in the same turn and  clinched a narrow victory.

The Persian force consisted of;
3 Cataphract
6 Paighans
6 tribal cavalry
6 archers and slingers
1 mercenary infantry
eith the following fates
Logistic Officer as a chosen fate
Confident
Familiar ground
2 advantage cards

The Ostrogoth Hoard
3 Noble Cavalry
1 Optimate
5 Warband
4 Auxilary Archers
2 Cavalry
The following fates were rolled
Priest
Traitor (it removed a unit of Paighans in the centre of the Persian line).   
Confident
Familiar Ground
Hero  (attached to a Noble Cavalry unit.

This was a very fast paced game with a far greater use of archeryand the need to rally the attacking troopsas the Paighans had the additional combat modifier for the hill.

I found out how nasty Cataphracts are.  I have used them but never had to face them.  The lesson of the night was never give them a flank of your best cavalry to charge, as they won't win.

Our next battle is Martins Romans (I rolled a D8 as I was the assisting player) Peter rolled a D6 and scored a 1 and selected to field his Romans.   I think this will be a hard fight on a plain somewhere in the  roman empire.n       
     

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2017, 12:55:56 AM »
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Next Friday nights battle is between Peter and myself and is Roman vs Roman.
Both forces have been used in the campaign so we both have forces we must use and we are not able to recruit veteran cohorts.   Any household fate may be rerolled, if a second household is rerolled it may be rerolled again.

We both have 3 glory points that can be spent on recruitment (at no cost to our campaign glory total)  We are both able to spend 1 (random fate roll) or 2 ( a selected Fate) glory points, however they are permanently deducted from the Campaign total.  (So far in the campaign this optional/house rule has not been used, we have not been desperate enpough yet) 

Here are our force lists. 
Troop Lists  (number of bases that must be used in the next battle)
Player  Martin       Maximus Diceus         Army     Roman


Veteran Cohort                                        3                        
Experienced Cohort                                        2                        
Raw Cohort                                                2                        
Clibanarii                                                        1                        
Armoured  Cavalry                                        1                        
Auxiliary Archer                                         0                        
Total points  150   Able to recruit 50 points

Player  Peter       Prepostorus Girthus         

Veteran Cohort                             0                  
Experienced Cohort                             2                  
Raw Cohort                                     3            
Clibanarii                                             0                  
Armoured  Cavalry                             3                  
Auxiliary Archer                              0                  
Total points 119     Able to recruit 81 points

Cheers Martin

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Re: our campaign charts
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2017, 06:15:19 AM »
I do not wargame this period, but love the commanders names, reminds me of the film 'Life of Brian' of Monty Python Fame lol

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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2017, 05:09:59 AM »
Hi all,
We fought game 5 of our campaign last friday night.  It was a Roman vs Roman affair which highlighted  to different styles of managing a battle.  The wise (Peter) and the impetuous/lack of focus (Me).  This resulted in an outstanding defeat.  Peter won the agression roll and elected to play the assaul senerio.  As it turned out, I'm not much chop at defending and charged him with my veteran cohorts while he sat ontop of his hills.
That was just the first of my mistakes, heres what you should never do with this set of rules
make a plan and stick to it.
once you start an advance, don't stop.  If you dither you give away any advantage you had as it allows your enemy time to respond.
don't loose your entire cavalry flank in 2 moves then stall iin the center.  (dithering around, hoping your artillery willl bring about a result, it won't win a battle for you.
Choose your fates carefully.
Back your cavalry up with some infantry.
Don't use the card allowing you to redeem 6 cards for something else.

There is everything that I did wrong, the result was the loss of 3 cohorts, 1 clibanari, 1 armoured cavalr, 2 sarmation cavalry and a base of horse archers.  Peters loses nil, not a single unit.
Here  are our forces.
Peter's Roman
3 Veteran Cohorts
2 Experienced Cohorts
3 Raw Cohorts
1 Clibanarii
2 armourd Cavalry
1 light archer
Fates
1 Logistic Offixcer
1 Priest
1 Artillary
Confident
Familiar Ground

My Troops
3 Veteran Cohorts
2 Experienced Cohorts
2 Raw Cohorts
1 Clibanarii
1 armourd Cavalry
3 sarmation light archers
2 Sarmation Cavalry
2 Sarmation Horse archers

Fates
1 Logistic Offixcer
2x  Artillary  (I should have picked clubmen and used the raw cohorts to back up the cavalry, notsit on a hill hoping to take a potshot at the enemy ).
Confident
Familiar Ground

There we have it, my worst loss so far, but it was still good fun and Peter did a brilliant job of letting me charge, when I didn't need to( the best defence is a good counter attack) and his excellent management of his cards.

Theres always another battle.

Cheers Martin