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		<title>Honour Forums &#187; Topic: Oz Lasalle Day Feedback+ Stats</title>
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			<title>Ashur_dan on "Oz Lasalle Day Feedback+ Stats"</title>
			<link>http://www.sammustafa.com/honour/forum/topic/oz-lasalle-day-feedback-stats#post-3436</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 04:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Ashur_dan</dc:creator>
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			<description><p>Hi Mic</p>
<p>Went pretty well, I think the feeling was pretty positive regarding the rules.  Was some issues regarding Cav charging in woods, but I think it won't be the norm.  I'm looking forward to some more organised days in the future.</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Stephen
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			<title>mic on "Oz Lasalle Day Feedback+ Stats"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 03:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>mic</dc:creator>
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			<description><p>thanks for the reply Stephen<br />
How did it go?<br />
Im a couple of hours north of Melbourne<br />
regards mic
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			<title>Ashur_dan on "Oz Lasalle Day Feedback+ Stats"</title>
			<link>http://www.sammustafa.com/honour/forum/topic/oz-lasalle-day-feedback-stats#post-3433</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 01:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Ashur_dan</dc:creator>
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			<description><p>Hi Mic</p>
<p>Mini comp played at Maroubra, Sydney, Oz. (at a pub, of course)</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Stephen
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			<title>mic on "Oz Lasalle Day Feedback+ Stats"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>mic</dc:creator>
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			<description><p>where about did you guys play this tourny?<br />
regrads mic
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			<title>Sentient Bean on "Oz Lasalle Day Feedback+ Stats"</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 01:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Sentient Bean</dc:creator>
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			<description><p>Trying to Rob me of my glory, eh? </p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Pete
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			<title>zel on "Oz Lasalle Day Feedback+ Stats"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>zel</dc:creator>
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			<description><p>Realised my math is totally off...</p>
<p>Attackers earned 41pts...defenders 29...adds upto 70 now funnily enuff.<br />
So scrap that Defender Bias I thought I had in the VP system.</p>
<p>The Russian Gd (Pete .) also was on 10pts so equal leader...sorry he filled out his card wrong...tho under this system (being defender) he wasnt penalised for a winning draw he had.
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			<title>cam_millar on "Oz Lasalle Day Feedback+ Stats"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 02:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>cam_millar</dc:creator>
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			<description><p>Excellent info for us to digest.</p>
<p>Now, we just have to hold off saying that this proves that the French are too good, Reserves too bad, organic light cavalry compulsory, the British suck, the attacker too advantaged ...</p>
<p>Cam
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			<title>zel on "Oz Lasalle Day Feedback+ Stats"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>zel</dc:creator>
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			<description><p>We had Comp-conditions Lasalle Day here in Oz 10 games played to a time limit of 3.5 hrs. Boards were pre-setup. Pls note most players had no or very limited game experience before the comp.</p>
<p>Observations..<br />
•	Round 1 only two completed  games with the others “draws” after a generous 3.5hrs…(but one player was unlucky as his opponent kept making his army morale check even with one dice less for being under 50%) ….Setup (post deployment ready to commence) complete after 1 hr in most cases<br />
•	Round 2 all games finished before time…with all games with decisive results…setup now down to 45min<br />
•	Players played more aggressively round 2 …less hesistant…churned thru turns faster or threw in more attacks<br />
•	The rules had very few rules questions the cav charging in woods controversy probably the biggest.<br />
•	Games played on average to 14 turns …in both rounds tho we did have decisive results by turn 11/12 in three cases in round 2</p>
<p>Results on Sum7...(appended at bottom) A= Attacker won D= Defender won<br />
6-1 (4)…ADAA<br />
5-2 (5)…D*D*DAA<br />
4-3 (1)…D</p>
<p>D*..essentially upgraded draws.</p>
<p>Results on Sam System A= Attacker won D= Defender won<br />
DecWin …4 ADAA<br />
MargWin 3 DAA<br />
Draw ………3 </p>
<p>Big difference between the systems  lies in the draws being upgraded to effective Marginal Wins under the SUM7 system as it reflects the Attacker failing to get to grips with defender…ie the system punishes puny attackers(we had two games like this in round 1)….I’m happy with this or owise a defender is penalized in a comp…I prefer the timid attacker is the one penalized. I think the more aggressive players will be drawn to attack armies and  passive players  to defender style armies which works well with the Sum7 biases… just unsure if the bias is too much to the defender…however the stats show the total points is  pretty even</p>
<p>Sum of Attackers points= 28<br />
Sum of Defenders  points= 25</p>
<p>Points at end of Day 1 using SUM7 (DR=draw..MW marginal Win…DW decisiveWin..Sam system)</p>
<p>Alex 10pts ..100days French+Lt cav….(DR+DW)<br />
Baldwin  8 …Aust/Spanish (DR+DW)<br />
StephenH  8…Empire French+ lt Cav (DR+DW)<br />
EvilDave  8…Penn French+Lt cav (DR(MW)+DW)<br />
Barry    8…Penn French+Lt cav??? (DW +DL)<br />
Dazzler  7….Empire French+ Hvy Cav(DW+DL)<br />
Pete .   7……Russian Gd+Gd cav(DR(DL)+MW)<br />
YDave    6…..Brits+ RCav (DR+DL)<br />
Tony     3……..Spanish+ Cav(ML(MV)+DL)<br />
PeterBis  2…Brits+rCav(DL+DL)</p>
<p>On Armies …</p>
<p>The system bares out what I too have found …the Brits are Brittle(pun intened!!) and hard to play for novices…(results are as per Sam system)<br />
Brits …………3 losses 1 draw<br />
Spanish ……2 losses 1 DecWin<br />
Austrians …..1 draw (unlucky should have won)<br />
Russian Gd….  1xDraw(thus loss under Sams rules) 1xDecWin</p>
<p>SUM7 Vp system<br />
Winner Loser<br />
6.........1......Loser inflict &#60;20.1% loses on winner<br />
5.........2......Loser inflicts &#62;20% losses on winner<br />
4.........3......Loser inflicts &#62;=33% losses on winner<br />
• If you win but the loser has more pursuit cav than you then downgrade your victory by one level to a minimum of 4-3 …<br />
• Guards must win or are automatic 1-6 losers<br />
Winner Loser<br />
6.........1......Loser inflict &#60;20.1% loses on winner<br />
5.........2......Loser inflicts &#62;20% losses on winner<br />
4.........3......Loser inflicts &#62;=33% losses on winner<br />
• If you win but the loser has more pursuit cav than you then downgrade your victory by one level to a minimum of 4-3 …<br />
• Guards must win or are automatic 1-6 losers<br />
• Spanish convert 3-4 losing draw to a 4-3 winnin g draw...
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