Does anyone run Bavarians? I've an outside chance of picking up a painted 15mm army and wonder if they're a decent match for my Russians.
Bavarians
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I have a Bavarian army. They are fun, that's about all I can say. Cool helmets!!! and pretty uniforms. I find them generally pretty average and under the right commander can defeat or lose to any opponent. Clear as mud huh?
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So long as they bring a paper bag they will beat your Russians!
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Thanks Michael. Pretty uniforms ticks the box in my book
JP/Heidi - get practising with the Avante Guard old bean; the Russian Bear is hungry ;)
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Speaking of Bavarians, those who play Lasalle with 28mm figures might find this interesting:
http://www.hat.com/Curr28/Bx28011Ba/Bx28011Ba.html (Action poses)
http://www.hat.com/Curr28/Bx28010Bm/Bx28010Bm.html (March Attack poses)
http://www.hat.com/Curr28/Bx28012Bc/Bx28012Bc.html (Command)http://www.hat.com/
Hat Indistries has been adding a new line of 28mm hard plastic miniatures, and they are pretty good actually. Check out the comparison pictures.Posted 1 year ago # -
Yes but there alot thinner and smaller than victrix alas
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alot thinner and smaller
If you had seen these, then you would know that this not true. A little thinner, maybe, but not "alot thinner". Also, slightly taller? Or are Victrix too fat?
They have some pics on their website. See for yourselves ;-)
http://www.hat.com/Othr8/MacPhee07P.htmlRegardless, the Hat Industries figures are a great deal! Lots of bang for your buck.
I think the Austrians and Russians will be a welcome line. Perry and Victrix seem to be fixated on British and French only. In plastic that is. Nice thing about plastic, I think, is that they are easier to convert in most cases. The Bavarians Hat produce can simply be painted up to be Jagers: http://www.hat.com/Othr8/Butterweck59P.html
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Someone at the club has some. Ive seen them painted up and based up playing along side my victrix french. We used them as a vetren battalion in my game and they look markedly smaller. There's nothing wrong with them and I would make an army out of them if they could be completely on there own but they are noticely smaller than victrixs or perrys.
I do agree with u victrixs is a big 28.Im just trying to warn people.
Unfortunately in all scale sizes there seems to be a big medium and small sub size if you know what i mean.cheers .
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Unfortunately in all scale sizes there seems to be a big medium and small sub size if you know what i mean.
Yes, I know what you mean. It's amazing that some figure manufactures still call an 18mm or 19mm figure they produce a 15mm one, and a 28mm or 30mm figure they produce a 25mm one - or even a 31mm figure a 28mm one. I know this has caused problems with new gamers to the hobby - and some have left the hobby because of this. But it wasn’t always like this. Many moons ago, most figure companies (not all) use to make figures that were true 15mm or 25mm in scale. That is, a figure would measure either 15mm or 25mm from the bottom of the feet to the top of the head. For example, if you take a 15mm Heritage figure and a 15mm early Minifig-15’s figure, you will discover that both measure 15mm from the bottom of the feet to the top of the head. But sadly, greed, self-interest, and a lack of teamwork among figure manufactures have cause problems. Most figure manufactures try to make their figures so that they are not very compatible with other manufactures. The most noticeable being the height (“scalecreep”). Some companies try to justify this by saying the measurement is from the ankle to the eyes, the sheen to the chin, or something really silly like that. But the true distance is to measure the distance from the bottom of the feet to the top of the head; excluding base and shako. And this makes complete sense! When you go to the doctor, he doesn't check your height from your ankle/shin/knee to your eyes/nose/mouth, he checks your height from the bottom of your feet to the top of your head, like normal. But like I said, greed, self-interest, and a lack of teamwork among figure manufactures have cause these problems within our hobby. Without a standard, even a manufacture that would like to be a team player will be hard pressed to do so, but some companies, like Hat Industries, are trying to make a compromise and hats off to them for trying. The other good news is that there is a light at the end of that very long dark tunnel. There are a few rare examples where figure manufactures are actually trying to work together. AB and Eureka Miniatures for example, and this started before they merged.
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and this is about 15mm Bavarians how exactly?
b*gger off onto your own thread on this [grin]
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Just to wind up Mr Borodino even more :-)
The problem with wargame figures is that in the main they they are not made to a scale but to a 'size'. A scale is something like 1/72 i.e. 1 mm/inch/foot/metre/mile on the real thing is equal to only a fraction of that measurement on the model. On the other hand 28mm say, is a size and can be anything the maker deems it to be e.g. 28mm from the base of the foot the to the knee. So wargame figures are based on a nonsense notion that has no standard. Hence the problem of lack of compatibility.
This then leads to a further problem with base sizes in wargame rules. No one with a commercial instinct writes rules that have a completely novel base size as that would require existing gamers to rebase all their figures. So to generate sales they go with existing basing conventions. Unfortunately the standard base sizes tend to have been established in previous decades before 'scale creep' became significant. As a result you can't fit the figures on the bases without cramming them together, staggering them or having them hanging over the front or back of the base.
Of course one of the great things about Lasalle its that base sizes are flexible and all measurements are in BW. Hopefully one day all rules will be made this way!
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borodino said" and this is about 15mm Bavarians how exactly?"
oh crap I thought u were talking about the 28mm bavariansAnd yes allan the modern rules that are popular seem to be the ones that a flexible.
Hat 1/72 prusian landwher is actaully the same moulds as the Airfix 00 scale.
Stuff like this goes on and its wrong.
Oh crap thats not 15mm is itPosted 1 year ago # -
ha ha - fill your boots gentlemen
all good fun
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Just to wind up Mr Borodino even more :-)
And it doesn't seem to take much, does it. ;-)
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[clutches chest] ;)
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To me the correct way to measure a figure is from the sole of the foot to the eyes.
The reason being is to measure to the top of the skull is often hard to distinguish with the figures head ware.The sole of the foot to the eyes becomes a constant no matter the head ware.But that begs the question. What should the sole of the foot to the eyes measurement be?
For 15mm figures maybe 13mm to allow for 15mm to the top of the skull?
Or, as many manufacturers tend to do, including AB minis foot to the eyes 15mm just to keep it simple.Posted 1 year ago # -
"""""Or, as many manufacturers tend to do, including AB minis foot to the eyes 15mm just to keep it simple.""""""
And thats the problem there is no standard. Many Manufacturers are doing something different.
The cynical side of me thinks Its so u are locked in to buy there figures.
But i have read with shrinkage in metal and other varibles its hard to get different molding designs the same. and I spose if u sculpt a batch of figures and their a little thin or a little chunky but passable. It would be hard to start again.Flame of war is from the foot to the forehead
(is that ok borodin its 15mm but WW2 ?Can I talk about that ?)Posted 1 year ago # -
"Or, as many manufacturers tend to do, including AB minis foot to the eyes 15mm just to keep it simple."
And thats the problem there is no standard. Many Manufacturers are doing something different.
Yes, that is one problem, but also some manufacturers deliberately try to make it so that their figures are not compatible with other manufactures, so u are locked in to buy there figures.
But i have read with shrinkage in metal and other varibles its hard to get different molding designs the same.
Yes, you read correctly. When making molds and casting figures, there are some variables to take into account, but most - depending of figure size - if not all can be compensated for. I can go into this in detail, but I feel borodin might object to a change of topic... LOL, sorry, couldn't resist ;-)
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help help i'm being repressed [sniff!]
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Anyway...
Back to those 15mm painted Bavarians. I should be collecting them Sunday and it looks like this:
6 x 30 man battalions of line
2 x 30 man battalions of lights
4 x 12 Squadrons of light cavalry [Organic Reserve]
9 x guns/crew
GeneralsIt looks like i'm an infantry unit short when attacking but have extra guns towards a 2nd Reserve.
Talking of, any thoughts on what would be a nice 2nd Reserve unit to add to the Bavarians keeping in mind its to take on my Russian Infantry Division with Dragoons and Light Cavalry {Hussars/Lancers) Reserves
More Bavarians, French or something a little different? Westphalian Cuirass?
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I hate to bust anyones wagon, but I understand that Eureka Miniatures supply the figures to AB Miniatures for sale so I would be most surprised if there scales were not compatible.
Regards
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A monistery full of monks and the pope to pray for the bavarians lol.
I take it your planning to do a uniformed Bavarian french side again like the Italians.
I suggested that because u already had the italians and I dont see a problem with it personally, but thats me. If u make markers of what they are and print them out and paste them on card and lay them with the unit I dont see any trouble with it.
I think I need to point out. Its a little bit unconventional to make minor nations major nations with in the lasalle ruleset. In Historical terms I dont think you will have trouble proving some bavarians had french training and French commanders and used french formations. But in lasalles the minor nations are supposed to be in the allies brigade list. Not as core organic reserve ectra.. so if your playing with a new player u need to explain what your doing that you are proxying bavarians for french and what the units are and ask if there all right with it before u play. Especially if you have bavarian allies with you bavarian core that would be really confusing for an opponent. I also would consider having french commanders.
THe french major nation Ratings are better than the bavarian minor nation ratings so again i re enforce that you have to have clear markers.
Just thought I'd make that clear to help u.
So to answer your question. I would get french now to give your Bavarian and Italian cores a french flavour.cheers
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"Flame of war is from the foot to the forehead
(is that ok borodin its 15mm but WW2 ?Can I talk about that ?)"Only if you get it right, FoW is 15mm from the foot to the eyes.
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oh boy here we go again.
you don't really want a nice talk do u evan ?.
Why jump into the middle of a thread and be unkind like that Evan?
You just want to prove people wrong.
Well thats what I was told. I have just measured some mid war germans and it seem to be 13-14 mm at the eyes. It seems to vary within 2mm anyway.Some of their packets a chunkier than others, definatley not that noticeably though.
Do you relize the start of the forehead and the eyes are almost the same on a 15mm figure ?Posted 1 year ago # -
Hi P-R
I had to leave the Italians/Poles etc alone
No, these are Bavarian figures and i was going to use them under the updated army list/Sams' download as an actual Bavarian Corp rather than French stats etc
Under that list you may have Bavarian infantry/cavalry as an Organic Reserve in addition to your Bavarian infantry
I was asking about a 2nd Reserve Choice for this army and in that case i am looking at French/other allies.
Thanks
JamesPosted 1 year ago # -
Oh ok I wasn't sure what you were doing. You were orignally talking about proxying Italians. Getting the bavarians seems a better idea, with them having a official list.
being reserve I would go for cavalry
I like dragoons because you get 4 units and have pursuit/shock
But the stats on 2 Westphalian Curirassiers and 6 stands look tempting
Or french cuirassiers.
Something a bit different is you can take another organic light cavalry brigade and start the game with 2 light cavalry brigades on the board.At the end of the day its up to you. And what your priorities are ? What nations you will be playing against alot? Do you want one nation with lots of choices or lots of nations? Are you an attacking or defending player. Do u like the uniforms ? What army your planning to do next. And so on and so on.
hope that helps cheers.Posted 1 year ago # -
"oh boy here we go again.
you don't really want a nice talk do u evan ?.
Why jump into the middle of a thread and be unkind like that Evan?"It's not my problem if you assume a comment is a personal attack. It wasn't but there you go.
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""Only if YOU get it right, FoW is 15mm from the foot to the eyes""
I find the word YOU personal when I said it and I didnt ask you wether it was alright or not I asked borodino because its just a joke anyway.
An experienced wargamming friend at my club said it was the start of the forehead and I've measured them with calipers to fit them in with other brands and are finding some of the mid war stuff is around 13 mm at the eyes so please excuse me for believing him with out double checking it as some of them can vary as much as 3mm. I hope you don't make me waste time making making didgital photos with calipers as some mid war americans are quite small compared with some germans.
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Figure sizes are really dependant on the sculpter and company. The only person that can comment with any authority on the scale of a figure is therefore the sculpter.
BTW Evan, how is the sculpting going at Battlefront? I'm waiting on those 18/25 pdrs to be done for Early War so I can start my Early War Divisional Cavalry company.
Simon
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I know hes the sculpter at BF. Thats why I said this.
"" so please excuse me for believing him with out double checking it as some of them can vary as much as 3mm""
But it does answer the question why he jumped in like that.
""Why jump into the middle of a thread and be unkind like that Evan?""
But not the bit about being unkind.
But Im honoured he could spare the time to jump in and shoot me down like that.
I thought he would be busy sculpting for all the rehashed supplements Battlefront is putting out.But would be interested what part of the eye is being measured is it the top of the eye brows where the fore head starts ?
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