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1. zel
   Member

   I have found a winning combo in the Peninsula French with Organic Conscripts add Dragoons as your 2nd Brigade support choice..

   this gives you 5 Vets 7 conscripts 2 gun batt + a Dragoon on board...with 4 more Shock Dargoons (also pursuit cav!!) coming to your aid...combined with the good French commanders will be hard to beat in a competition setting.

   The combo of Vets and Conscripts columns side by side means the you can make the Vets the priority target most of the time and the onlaught of 12 battalions usually swamps your opponents...(Conscripts are Reliable so dont suffer a -2 in combat most times) even managed to swamp a Russian with 3 batteries..Brits have no chance.

   Posted 2 years ago #

2. Sam Mustafa
   Le Grand Fromage

   I like playing with 2 Support Choices. It gives a fuller game, and you can play "doubles" with two players on a side.

   Personally, I tend to favor the "horsey" armies.

   In the "quality over quantity" category, the most impressive attacking list I've seen thus far - if we're doing 2 Support Choices - has been the Russian Guards with Guard Cavalry and Cuirassiers.

   On the defense, I think I'd want Empire-era Russian infantry, with Reserve Artillery and Light Cavalry as a reinforcement that will almost surely arrive before the enemy gets to my side of the board, using the "Home Field Advantage."

   French Young Guards with Polish and Westphalian cavalry in support would also be a formidable force: elite infantry core with more elite cavalry.

   I was thinking about painting some more Hungarian grenadiers so I can do an Austrian "Reserve" list with lots of cavalry in support. (If you're going to be out-skirmished anyway, then you might as well at least have elites who like to use the bayonet.) But my regular Austrians have always held their own pretty well. The artillery is weak, but those big infantry units can take a lot of punishment.

   John Holly's Brit list is pretty solid: he has the Light or Infantry Div core (depending upon his mood that day), plus the Brunswicker allied contingent, plus Light Cav in Reserve. In the last game against Barry Katz's Peninsular French, plus Dragoons, John stopped the frogs in their tracks.

   On my painting table right now, though, are some Plain-Jane "Liberation" Prussians.

   Posted 2 years ago #

3. zel
   Member

   I have yet to play with large units...these seem more resilient on defence and may thwart the swarms. To date my impression is quantity beats quality but I will try the Russian Guard option you mentioned.

   NB the above Peninsula army I mentioned has 2 support choices Conscript Inf Brigade + Dragoons

   Posted 2 years ago #

4. Nick the Lemming
   Member

   If you are playing 2 options, what happens when you face (eg) a Russian infantry force on home advantage making you march down the length of the table, with reserve artillery blasting away at you the entire time? What happens when you face someone who's taken on lots of cavalry - enough to keep your dragoons busy and to launch counterattacks at your assault columns - and what do you do when he does attack your assault columns with a mix of infantry and cavalry? Form square and lose the infantry combat, or not form square and get ridden over by cavalry? What if your opponent doesn't form up in line, but also in assault column, and takes the offensive against your assault columns, with cavalry supporting him?

   There are lots of ways of dealing with this 'problem,' but as others have said, if you have a line unit out there on its own and it gets charged by 2-3 assault columns, then it deserves to lose. Use terrain, use assault column your self, use your cavalry to counterattack, use artillery and shooting to soften the columns up before they get into contact range...

   Posted 2 years ago #

5. Requete
   Member

   If I were to have 2 support choices as Empire Russian Infantry, I'd be tempted to take Infantry support and Reserve Artillery. With Home Field Advantage, you'd have to march at my 10 regiments of musketeers down the long way, facing 35 (!) bases of artillery. And I'd be adding two large elements of Rocky Ground to the board. Kill zone? You're soaking in it.

   I'm not saying that all lists are equally good (how would I know?). But I think that some options will turn out to be pretty good against certain things, and not so good against other things.

   Posted 2 years ago #

6. cam_millar
   Member

   "If I were to have 2 support choices as Empire Russian Infantry, I'd be tempted to take Infantry support and Reserve Artillery. With Home Field Advantage, you'd have to march at my 10 regiments of musketeers down the long way, facing 35 (!) bases of artillery. And I'd be adding two large elements of Rocky Ground to the board. Kill zone? You're soaking in it."

   The main issue I would have with such an army is how would I win? There is no requirement for the attacker to actually attack you. If they have little chance of winning, they will just sit back and take a draw. How do you then attack them down the table to win? Without any cavalry there does not appear to be any obvious way to force a result. This army may be unbeatable, but doomed to mid table in a comp.

   Cam

   Posted 2 years ago #

7. cam_millar
   Member

   One army I will be intrigued to try is 1806 Prussian. Infantry look dodgy, but the Reserve cavalry brigade looks interesting:

   2 x Cuirassier (Valient/Exp/Shock)
   2 x Dragoon(Valient/Exp/Shock/Pursuit)
   1 x 4 light gun battery

   Note that the Dragoons are actually better than the Cuirassiers (they are pursuit cuirassiers). As far as I can, this is the only main list that has Valient/Exp/Shock/Pursuit cavalry (Italian Guard cavalry has the same stats).

   That is a pretty powerful force - and you can take it multiple times.

   Cam

   Posted 2 years ago #

8. Sam Mustafa
   Le Grand Fromage

   Yeah, the 1806 Prussian cavalry is absolutely glorious. Alas, their infantry and generals can't find their way out of a wet paper bag. But at least you have a lot of it.

   Posted 2 years ago #

9. Nick the Lemming
   Member

   The main issue I would have with such an army is how would I win? There is no requirement for the attacker to actually attack you. If they have little chance of winning, they will just sit back and take a draw. How do you then attack them down the table to win? Without any cavalry there does not appear to be any obvious way to force a result. This army may be unbeatable, but doomed to mid table in a comp.

   If you have all that artillery, move it up table a little bit (it's mostly heavy, so has good range) and pound away at him until he gets off his arse and comes for you. You could even do it in stages - move half, keep half where it is in case he tries to take advantage of you being limbered to make a run for you.

   Posted 2 years ago #

10. cam_millar
    Member

    Terrain will be the biggest problem for massed artillery.

    Not being able to fire from rough terrain and having its firing blocked by walls, forests and so forth means the table will need to be fairly open. A table like "The Walled Farms", "Village in the Woods", "Dry Hills", or "Ridges Outside Town" will be difficult even with home field advantage.

    Other players will try to defend against you - to take away your Home Field Advantage, to have 2 terrain picks, and because they won't worry about you threatening the objective.

    Certainly defending with Home Field Advantage on say the Crossroads will be nasty for the attacker.

    The question in a comp is what do you do attacking on the "bad" tables.

    Cam

    Posted 2 years ago #

11. Grinner
    Member

    I'm very much enjoying the Austrian AG army. Having integral cavalry, and damned good cavalry at that (not to mention large), with a core army choice is just too good to pass up. The bonus to the vigor roll for an AG officer is nothing to scoff at either. The adaptability of the Grenzers is fantastic as well, either regular amateurs or irregular skirmishers, and the ability to deploy in half battalion to grant the two line infantry SK3 each is great. And if you're attacking as you should be with this army anyway the addition of an additional large infantry unit and another large cav makes it a very powerful core army. Oh, and don't forget the tough little Jager unit or the Horse artillery, even if it is a wee bit smaller of a battery than most other lists (it's not the size of the battery, it's how you use it, eh?)

    I've yet to play it with support choices, but as the core army already has some good cavalry means I'd likely take another Infantry brigade as my first support choices, 4 more large line infantry adds a nice weight to the crushing Austrian advance. AS for the second choice I'm torn between the Light Cavalry and the Heavy Dragoons. The two large Dragoon units are satisfyingly large and scary, but having four small cavalry units to harry the enemies flanks as the main army advances is equally tempting.

    Posted 2 years ago #

12. eljeffe418
    Member

    blockquote I'm very much enjoying the Austrian AG army. Having integral cavalry, and damned good cavalry at that (not to mention large), with a core army choice is just too good to pass up. The bonus to the vigor roll for an AG officer is nothing to scoff at either. The adaptability of the Grenzers is fantastic as well, either regular amateurs or irregular skirmishers, and the ability to deploy in half battalion to grant the two line infantry SK3 each is great. And if you're attacking as you should be with this army anyway the addition of an additional large infantry unit and another large cav makes it a very powerful core army. Oh, and don't forget the tough little Jager unit or the Horse artillery, even if it is a wee bit smaller of a battery than most other lists (it's not the size of the battery, it's how you use it, eh?)/blockquote

    I will attest to the power of this army, having faced grinner and lost. The moral of the story: Big Battalions of infantry must be charged, and if possible by 2 if yours are small. Shooting is ineffectual without committing too many of your own elements to be viable. No matter what they are tar pits.

    Posted 2 years ago #

13. buttridi
    Member

    "John Holly's Brit list is pretty solid: he has the Light or Infantry Div core (depending upon his mood that day), plus the Brunswicker allied contingent, plus Light Cav in Reserve. In the last game against Barry Katz's Peninsular French, plus Dragoons, John stopped the frogs in their tracks. "

    I think the Brunswicker's are the key, as they add some on - table Cav and more good infantry. I do wonder what to do with the Rifles, it seems you need the large unit firepower in the line instead of sending out the skirmishers against the French, but I'm not sure.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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