After reading all this malarkey it looks like I will have to find time to checkout the tourney at Maelstrom ...it will be nice to meet these gentleman gamers:) should be a bit of a laugh, remember lads crush your enemy, its a pity nobody in the UK seems to be fielding a Spanish army.
Paul:)
well done "Kevin in San diego" you are now a honorary member of the Sheffield and Rotherham (GIMPS) wind'em up and leave them too it gang!.... its a pity Big Al has'nt joined in as well:):):)
No!! we draw the line at any GIMPs attending. There's no food for a start [aside/that should put them off]
Hi James....hopefully their will be some nicely painted mini's and terrain at Maelstrom? forget the food:)...a few beers will do!
so now Blackpowder is officially for Gentleman gamers:) I've heard it all now!....its a funny old world:)
good luck at the tourney ....cheers Paul
ps I think at the last count 2 GIMPS will be playing!
disclaimer ....for our friends overseas, don't ask me why they are called the GIMPS its probably British humour:)
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Hi Paul
My reference to Black Powder was clearly misunderstood. I didn't intend any connection with Gentlemen Gamers - whatever your concept of them is?
What I meant was the emphasis in that rule set that is if anything anti-competition gaming and no AB/Army lists. Instead it is more about scenario based gaming and doing it your own way with as many rule changes as the players see fit to make. A bit of thinking for yourself rather being spoon fed everything. The opposite of the WRG/FOG straightjacket approach. It may be old school but has nothing to do with gentlemen.
You have however put a nasty evil thought in my head - there is just enough time to get a Spanish Army together before 23rd April to pull the ultimate wind-up. Good thing Trev is on holiday and can't see this or I might be banned before I get to the first round of the competition............
Nice one Alan ....a Spanish army on the table will certainly liven things up:)and is certainly a change from the Aystrian/Russian hegmony!(I play french)
I'm not moaning about Black powder...the scenario approach to gaming is good, but I'm not sure about the game.....not brilliant for Naps but better for ACW in my opinion.
cheers Paul
Well,
My friend Genl Brady has put the question into context.
We were attempting to do a strategic campaign using the Soldier Emperor rules to set up the battles, vis: M&R and Soldier Kings.
So, in this context, a Spanish "victory" of any quality would drive the French out of Spanish territory.
The combination of the Spanish special rules turned the Spanish army into a sort of toxic sludge in the strategic game. All that it had to do was to appear in a territory and not suffer a "broken" result in the subsequent tabletop battle to drive the French from a territory.
But I can see that this would also be a flaw in any tournament that did not account for Spanish marginal victory.
Our approach to rules is somewhat Jeffersonian: If it isn't prohibited in the rules, it must be allowed.
Since the Spanish player was my own son, I don't really feel comfortable giving him the boot from our group. His defense is that we should give him a better army next time!
Oh to have a LaSalle-like system that is suitable for campaigning. Anyone know of such a thing? 8^O
Question - if a game times out, is that a Draw under the basic rules [and therefore a Spanish win]
It's rare that we seem to be able to get to a conclusion under the AB games in 2.5 hours, and that's not always incl set-up time
Thanks,
James
Not sure if I understand the question James??
In the basic Lasalle rules I didn't think there was a rule covering the result if the game is not concluded i.e. 'times out'. So I think you may be referring to Trev's Maelstrom Tournament amendment - but in that competition we are not using the basic Lasalle rules we are using most of the optional rules as well.
Can you clarify?
James, Alan,
If a game "times out" it is a draw. See p.66: "How does a Game End?" and p67: "Drawn Game."
Unless one is playing Spanish, when p118 applies: "They'll Be Back." and a Draw becomes a Spanish Marginal Victory.
Hi Kevin
My understanding re 'timing out' was that it is a situation where the time available to play the game runs out before one side breaks or the last turn is reached. So neither of the conditions described on pages 66 or 67 have occured.
I agree with Alan, which makes for a curious set of tourney rules really
I see.
I have never played under those circumstances: i.e. a real-world time limit.
Kevin
Hey I'm back, and have'nt you all been having fun. I dont want to start by being over critical, so I'll just agree with everyone.
Its a shame but most games usually end with an unrealistic time limit getting in the way. In a friendly game this should'nt raise any problems, as if it did it would'nt be friendly and therefore to quote a WRG writer the player concerned would soon find himself short of opposition. However, in a tournament environment or one where time limits do create an issue then the rules must prevail, however crap they are in that instance. As for banning players, Alan, we'll discuss that in the car on the way to Salute this weekend!!!!!!!!! ;)
Once again, I think that means that I either agree with everyone, or I'm just totally out of step. As for Paul coming to Marengo, he's welcome IF HE BRINGS AN ARMY AND PLAYS! I've told him before. There will be no coaching from the sidelines, or mickey taking - especially from him.
Trev
Hi Trev ...nice to see you back on the forum:), the main problem for me with tournament play is fitting 3 games in a day approach ...I would sooneer play one 6hr battle multiplayer with plenty of banter between the opposing players, than rushing between games to get them all played....
I've played in FOW and Impetus tourneys, I enjoy the first battle(3hrs), the second(6hrs) is not bad and then when the third starts I look at the armies, then a quick look at the bar and the trade stands....no contest!
good luck at the tourney Trev....
cheers Paul
ps use the Russian Guard, not the Grenadiers..aim for the objective and give them hell :)
Cheers Paul. No doubt see you on Thursday at the club. The idea of this one though is to get together, so we can enlarge our base of Lasalle players. Seems to be working to a degree.
Trev
Hi Trev as you say the Lasalle base is growing....for your next event a Naps Historical event would be good....Lasalle, Blackpowder and any other ruleset in action! and would be very good to see different scales as well:)....
I'll have to try my French Guard against a Russian Guard army very soon if you want a pop! ....see you Thursday Paul
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