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1. Basilhare
   Member

   Sam - Could you please take a look at this example and see if we resolved correctly:

   http://basilhare.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/fr-left-2.jpg

   [Imagine that the Battery is limbered and extends single file behind the howitzer stand - I reposed the picture after the fact and forgot to limber up the artillery]

   Brits get to choose the first combat because they are using the Superior Commander rule...

   Brit Turn 1: (1) The RHA Unit moves on top of the hill and ends limbered. (2) British hussars are lurking nearby on the extreme british right; french left.

   French Turn 2: (3) The French Dragoons charge the limbered battery.

   British turn 3: (4) The British hussars pass a DISC Test & execute a 2BW wheel and countercharge the Dragoons, hitting the unit to the side (not a clean hit). (5) The limbered battery elects to try and unlimber (much to my surprise - I'm licking my chops) but fails its DISC Test and has to sit there limbered. This leaves us with the situation pictured above, except that the Battery is limbered.

   Resolution: We figure the combat dice: (1) The British get half dice becuase they have less than half the Dragoons to their front. They also loose a die for a DISR.(2) The French Dragoons Half their dice because they are an attacker contacted by two units. (3) The Dragoons have "Shock" advantage.

   I roll badly and my dragoons are broken - he scores 4 hits to my 1 hit. The game goes down hill from there!

   Did we do this right?

   Thanks...faron.

   Posted 2 years ago #

2. Sam Mustafa
   Le Grand Fromage

   We had a very similar situation in our game yesterday. In our game, the French player won the choice of first combat and obviously chose the battery, which he obliterated before the British cavalry could arrive to save the day.

   In your case, I'm not clear which combat you've chosen to resolve first: the battery? or the countercharging hussars? Obviously, if the British get the choice, they should pick the countercharge. That combat would be:

   Brit Hussars 8 dice - 1 DISC, +2 Esprit = 9 dice, halved to 5 because it's a clipping attack without much frontage.

   French Dragoons: 8 dice +2 Shock = 10 dice, halved to 5 because they're an attacker facing two defenders.

   Thus, 5 dice vs. 5 dice. The British need to win or at least tie in hits; if they can do that, then the countercharge saved the guns, because the French will withdraw.

   Posted 2 years ago #

3. Basilhare
   Member

   "...Obviously, if the British get the choice, they should pick the countercharge.... Thus, 5 dice vs. 5 dice. The British need to win or at least tie in hits; if they can do that, then the countercharge saved the guns, because the French will withdraw."

   Yes, the British chose the countercharge to resolve first...but in our game, the result was a decisive British Win and we thought the Dragoons were BROKEN...thats where we screwed up...the Dragoons were the attacker, even though they were countercharged (Countercharging Hussars are still the defending unit, correct?)...thus they SHOULD have simply fallen back with a 1 DISR, correct?

   Yeah, thats a bummer...the whole Countercharging situation threw me off at the time and I was confused as to who was the defender and who was the attacker...that would have been a game changing event, as it may have saved my flank....dang...

   Also, how did you figure that the Hussars have Esprit? Its Reliable vs. Reliable, isnt it?

   Posted 2 years ago #

4. Sam Mustafa
   Le Grand Fromage

   Normally, when the attacker loses decisively, he falls back with 1 DISR.

   But if an attacker loses decisively to a *Countercharge*, then he breaks. (See page 59, top right column.)

   So your first understanding was correct. The British broke the French dragoons.

   Countercharging is absolutely my favorite part of the game. It can be great fun when you get used to it. The whole cavalry rules are a lot of fun for experienced players, once they master the nuances of knowing when to fall back and avoid the enemy, knowing how to keep fresh friendly cavalry un-engaged to attempt a countercharge, etc.

   PS - sorry, Yes, British Hussars are "Reliable."

   Posted 2 years ago #

5. Basilhare
   Member

   Okay...i feel better...thanks...looking forward to another go in a couple of weeks...

   We defintely have a long way to go in understanding how Lasalle tactics work...we are old Empire/Napoleon's Battles/Grande Armee Players...I think the change in scope and scale is really causing us to re-think the genre a bit...having trouble making the adjustment to tactical vs. Grand tactical...perhaps some of the "Cons" in my AAR are due to our old prejudices and experiences in Grande Tactical Napoleonic gaming...faron

   Posted 2 years ago #

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