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Peoples_Republic
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Hi

A few of us at the club are wanting to do 28mm English Civil war that is Pike and Shot eara.
We are finding it hard to find regiment level good Pike and shot rules. Seems to be a bit of a gap in the market for that one if u dont like dba style rules or games workshop.Wouldnt mind hearing from anyone who has favourite English Civil war rules and what they are ?

Is the lasalles series going to cover Pike and shot at some stage ?
Seems to me they would really adapt well to that eara for 15mm-28mm figures

CHeers

Posted 1 year ago #
Sam Mustafa
Le Grand Fromage

It depends upon a few things. Right now I'm thinking of making a "Sun King" game next in the series, probably launching in 2012. But real Pike & Shot would depend upon a collaboration with somebody else like John Holly, who is much more passionate and knowledgeable about that period than I am.

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

The reign of Louis XIV. Wooh ! Big army List needed for that one.lots of wars and different Nations.

The English Civil War started in 1642
Louis XIV reigned as King of France and King of Navarre from 1643 until his death at 77 years old. He inherited the Crown at the age of four, but he did not actually assume personal control of the government until the death of his chief minister, Jules Cardinal Mazarin, in 1661

Hope you don't mind my opinion. Thats a big undertaking. I would do the english civil war first. This would set up the rules for the period. Between the flinlock to the bayonet with a smaller but colourful list with lots of Figures on the market. And then would lead perfectly into the Sun king era allowing u to concentrate on the sun king lists and optional rules. Doing the core pike and shot rules in the english civil war book first.
cheers.

Posted 1 year ago #
blucher
Member

ECW is more popular obviously ..

The problem with the Sun King era is the transitional weapons and tactics.

I am always ready to be tempted by the copplestone glory of the SUn range. Mark copplestones scupting is just so crisp and fun to paint!

Posted 1 year ago #
Borodino
Member

In the meantime, try out the 1664 rules if you're not a fan of WECW

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

Oh yes thanks borodino we have tried 1664, WECW, and DBA-DBM,

1664 the army size is too small and a wee bit like wecw, well warhammer is warhammer do i have to say more ?
and DBA the rules are a bit awkward in our opinion
Just wondeing if there are anymore popular good ECW rules than those.

Posted 1 year ago #
Dentwist
Member

Have you looked at Victory Without Quarter?

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

I just did and I've down loaded them. They look just what im looking for. Have you played them ? Dentwist

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

"""I am always ready to be tempted by the copplestone glory of the SUn range. Mark copplestones scupting is just so crisp and fun to paint! '""

Yes they look good blucher. Not a big range of figures though and thats what worries me about that period.

ECW would be easier for people new to pike and shot to get figures and its interesting enough for hard core gamers with plenty of scope then go on to the sun king era.

Posted 1 year ago #
Dentwist
Member

We have used the rules for about a year and love them. We looked at 1664 and WECW, but thought that VWQ gave us the feel we were looking for.

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

dentwist was just wondering about blade and club type units.How they fit in ?

Posted 1 year ago #
Naps Newbie
Member

I tried to play a game of 1664 a few weeks ago. The game system seemed ok but I had a disagreement with my opponent (an ECW enthusiast) who then suggested we settle the argument 'outside like real men'.

Anyway since he and his friends no longer come to the club, I now have a few Parliament units that are currently selling on ebay - seller id dark-mallrat.

Rest assured all proceeds will go on filling out my 15mm British penisular force!

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

LOL

Real wargamers don't step people outside. You dice for it. lol

Posted 1 year ago #
TodCreasey
Member

There is always the new Wargames Factory stuff for WSS era armies. From Sam perspective I would think something more oriented to horse and musket rather than pike and shot would be an easier transition from Lasalle.

I'll mark myself off as doomed then as it looks like I'll be doing WSS in 2012 if that is Sams next project...

Posted 1 year ago #
blucher
Member

as it happens copplestone just brought out some cavalry.

http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/range.php?range=GOS

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

"" From Sam perspective I would think something more oriented to horse and musket rather than pike and shot would be an easier transition from Lasalle.""

Sam said he was thinking of doing a sun king book. Well it Has pike in it.
Louis XIV reigned as King of France and King of Navarre from 1643 until his death at 77 years old. Aprox.. 1715 is when the sun king died .

A common end date for the use of the pike in infantry formations is 1700, although Prussian and Austrian armies had already abandoned the pike by that date, whereas others such as the Swedish and Russians continued to use it for several decades afterward—the Swedes of King Charles XII in particular using it to great effect until the 1720s.

Even later, the obsolete pike would still find a use in such countries as Ireland, Russia and China, generally in the hands of desperate peasant rebels who did not have access to firearms

Posted 1 year ago #
John Paul
Member

Hi All

So to try and get ahead of the game hear; can anyone recommend a good 15mm manufacturer for The War of the Spanish Succession? I assume this would fall under the "sun king" book?

Thanks
JP

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

Sam said """It depends upon a few things. Right now I'm thinking of making a "Sun King" game next in the series."""

Personally I'm adopting a wait and see policy lol.

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

Hi JP just thought you might be interested in this
These are some of the major european wars around Louis XIV life.
1618 – 1648 The Thirty Years' War
1645 – 1669 Cretan War
1652 - 1654 First Anglo-Dutch War
1665 – 1667 Second Anglo-Dutch War
1683 Battle of Vienna
1688 William of Orange Invades England
1701 - 1714 War of the Spanish Succession
louis was around 63yrs of age when the War of the Spanish Succession started and died within a year of it ending

Posted 1 year ago #
Scruff
Member

Out of all those, The WSS has the most interest for me. It might even encourage me to continue painting the few figures I have.

But alas it will be down the lane a bit I suspect, as theres Bulcher, then maybe ACW?

So that will make it some years to wait

cheers

Posted 1 year ago #
John Paul
Member

Interesting reading that list as this really is a period where we go from Renascence (pike and shot) to Horse and musket.

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

well I spose if the books just concentrating on the war of the spanish succession and western europe I spose it is just horse and musket.The start of it. But sam did hold some hope of doing pike with it if he can get collaboration but it looks like thats a long long way off.I just brought it up because I think Sams basic rules system would really fit into pike and shot era because good easy & fast to play regiment level rules are hard to find especially with the tournament choice system. But I guess I'll keep searching. Actaully the victory without quarter rules that Dentwist told me about showed some promise if I make my own tourament lists up for ECW. So that may be the solution.but would like to see a popular Club played system come out.

Posted 1 year ago #
Scruff
Member

Im not sure but I think League of Augsberg is working on a 2nd edition of their Beneath lily banners rules.

From what I have seen around likes of TMP, their 1st edition was just ok and no more, but theres hope that their 2nd edition will be alot better since their new Naps rules have been well received.

cheers

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

Ok thanks for that Scruff. I had a look and they seem sort of quite old style from just looking at the spec pages they had which there were only a few but I got an idea. So I agree with u. there ok but no more. Sort of want something a bit more modern.

Posted 1 year ago #
mfarl2001
Member

On the ECW note, have you looked at the Field of Glory Ren. Rules that came out, the first army book covers ECW and 30 Years war, and a few others.

Posted 1 year ago #
MarkGrindlay
Member

John Paul.

try this site

http://warsoflouisxiv.blogspot.com/2009/04/15mm-figure-review-part-i-overview.html

and this one

http://steve-the-wargamer-wss.blogspot.com/

I believe the current recommendation is still Dixon's for the WSS itself

- but if you want to go a little earlier chronologically, Venexia do a range covering Wars of Louis XIV, 1667 - 1697 that looks rather interesting as well

(p.s. I recon that combatative ECW enthusiast was a Royalist - they're always causing trouble with their high handed over-enflated egoes, damn their eyes. anyone would think the king had a birthright from God, listening to them talk)

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

"""On the ECW note, have you looked at the Field of Glory Ren. Rules that came out,"""

Ive heard of them and seen some of the ancient stuff on the internet I know the ancient stuffs quite popular. Have you played them ?
Wouldn't mind hearing from some one who has played them.

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

LoL
I'll make sure first. Will be interesting to see if you reply. I don't think you will.
Who is the "combative ECW enthusiast" Mark ?
Because it is Hypocritycal of the Parlimentarians to accuse the Royalists of causing trouble.

Posted 1 year ago #
MarkGrindlay
Member

NapsNewbie posted earlier

"I tried to play a game of 1664 a few weeks ago. The game system seemed ok but I had a disagreement with my opponent (an ECW enthusiast) who then suggested we settle the argument 'outside like real men'."

That guy just has to be a Royalist.

level the lot of them

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples_Republic
Member

Oh, the name change and the symbolic code made me wonder what on earth u were talking about.Its left an impact on you hasn't it. Dissagreements happen occasionally especially when people play for the first time. Personally I wouldn't play with them again or mention it on a open forum and just move on.

There good links though.Its hard to know whether to go for the eye candy of 28mm or 15mm. But a few of us already have 28mm ECW. Might check out feild of Glory's Renaisance
cheers.

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