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1. seldon
   Member

   Ok, I read and re read the book carefully but sometimes we either miss something or we are not sure that we have the correct understanding so let me ask a few questions:

   1) Half dice for enemy not covering more than half of front.
   If I understand this correctly if for example to cav units charge frontally an enemy cav unit and the enemy is right in the middle of the two units then the attacking units will have to halve their dice. However if the enemy is not right in the middle at least one of the attackers would get full dice. Also if the attackers would angle the units a bit he might be able to get full dice.
   Is this the way it is supposed to be or am I missing something ?

   2) ADC and chief of staff , don't take casualty tests, but they can still direct combats.. correct ?

   3) What happens when a unit is under command of a poor sub commander but also in command range of a good overall commander. Would the enemy be able to invoke the ability of the poor sub commander ? Would the owner of the side with the poor sub comm and the good overall comm be able to cancel this ?

   Ok, those are my initial general questions. I will keep reading and trying to come up with any other questions to have our first game go as smooth as possible.

   As a side note. A couple of times there is a mention of pre battle scouting. Is that something that I missed or something that was a part of the system and was left out later after playtesting or will it be in a future update?

   Finally I already wrote anther post in the general section, but once again I must say thank you for such a great product which I am very eager to try,

   best regards,
   Francisco

   Posted 2 years ago #

2. Sam Mustafa
   Le Grand Fromage

   1. If the two attackers are exactly, perfectly lined up so that the one defender covers *exactly* half of each of them, then Yes, the two attackers would both halve dice. Of course, so many things can vary that. For instance, everybody would have to be in the same formation. And both attackers would have had to attack absolutely perfectly perpendicular. (At attacker can easily get 2-1 in full, if one unit simply arrives at a slight angle.)

   2. Correct.

   3. The CinC (overall commander) does not have a Tactics rating.

   4. I forgot to remove the mention of "Pre-Battle Scouting" from the blurb on the back cover, after we eliminated most of those rules and replaced them with the much simpler army list modifier for board choice and set-up (page 87.) I thought I'd changed it to "pre-battle setup," but I guess I missed it. Is it anywhere else, other than the back cover?

   Posted 2 years ago #

3. seldon
   Member

   Ok, so then my interpretation on point 1 is correct. I think you might be right that my concern might be no big deal, it just looks a little weird that you need to fiddle a bit with the angle to get the 2 to 1, maybe when two units are side by side they should get an extension of the rule about the enemy being completely within your front, but I am sure this is a minor thing. Good to know my understanding was correct though.

   Answer three is very interesting. In page 72 it notes that commanders can direct one combat within his range ( "What Does the commander do? " ).
   Is this a typo from a previous version, or does it mean that commanders don't have "tactics" skill but could be used to exploit the poor tactics of an opposing commander ?
   ( BTW, the rules with the commanders is very original, simple yet very rich in alternatives... I love it... ).

   Where you explain the "pursuit" skill for cavalry you also mention that it has an effect on pre battle scouting.

   PS. thanks for the quick answers, another excellent thing about these rules, the online support... Now if the week could go faster so that I can get to play :)

   Posted 2 years ago #

4. Sam Mustafa
   Le Grand Fromage

   [nswer three is very interesting. In page 72 it notes that commanders can direct one combat within his range ( "What Does the commander do? " ). Is this a typo from a previous version, or does it mean that commanders don't have "tactics" skill but could be used to exploit the poor tactics of an opposing commander ?]

   No, it's not a typo. Look at the last para on p.72, under "How... Used"

   "The commander, or an officer with an "average" tactics rating, may not apply a bonus himself, but may still take advantage of an enemy's penalty for "poor" tactics.

   Posted 2 years ago #

5. seldon
   Member

   Excellent, that was my understanding when you pointed that commanders don't have tactical ability, I missed that on the first read ! Very subtle but very interesting... I so want to see your commanders rules in play.

   thanks Sam.

   Francisco

   Posted 2 years ago #

6. seldon
   Member

   Another reference to the "scouting" role is on the page where you explain what units represent. In the last lines of the cavalry section there is another reference to pre battle scouting. Just commenting in case you add these to the errata.

   Posted 2 years ago #

7. Nick the Lemming
   Member

   I have another question concerning poor subcommanders and commanders: If I have a poor subcommander standing next to his commander, and I have to roll a discipline test, do I have to use the -1 to the roll for the subcommander, or can I use the commander instead, to stick with a 3+ roll?

   Posted 2 years ago #

8. cam_millar
   Member

   p72 says that a subcommander's vigor roll is used for units in his command as long as they are within his range. The commander can only place units that are out of command, in command.

   So I take it you must use your subcommander in this situation - the commander can not override him.

   You would have to send your subcommander away so the unit is not in his command range for the Commander to override him.

   Cam

   Posted 2 years ago #

9. Nick the Lemming
   Member

   That was my reading too Cam, but I wasn't sure. If the subcommander is out of the way then, but the commander is in range, then they don't get the -1 to the discipline roll for the poor vigor of the subcommander because he isn't there, and don't get the -1 for being out of command, since there's a commander about - so they just roll normally.

   Posted 2 years ago #

10. zel
    Member

    yes the trick here is to place the dud commander right @ the back but must be in command of one unimportant unit...then use the massive 10 bw commander range to put everything in command....this is even more important with a poor tactics sub-general...cheesy but perfectly legal...

    Posted 2 years ago #

11. cam_millar
    Member

    I am sure we will see some officers sent to the rear in disgrace. But even a commander's max span is less than half the table width, and if he dies trying to take advantage of the enemy's poor officer his command range drops to about 1/4 of the table.

    So you will need to trade off the width of your army against sending commanders home.

    Be interesting to see how common this becomes.

    Cam

    Posted 2 years ago #

12. seldon
    Member

    In most of our games once the units get enganged we end up having to use all commanders good or bad. The killer for us is not the range but the no line of command closer than 1BW from an enemy units... Hence every commander needs to be doing something if you don't want to have out of command units...

    Posted 2 years ago #

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