I want to make certain I have this straight before starting to build. The only way a Guard division in an AB game can win is if they win decisively, and the only way to win decisively is to have a higher pursiut score than the defeated side, meaning having more points for cavalry remaining, so the only way a Guard division can win is if cavalry are included as part of the force?
Thanks,
Scott
There's an optional rule too, that they can also win by being in control of the objective.
I can't seem to find that rule. Could you point me in the right direction on that? I'm probably skimming right past it without seeing it.
-Scott
It's not in the rule book. You will find this option from the Honor website (not the forum). Click on "Downloads", then click on "Tips".
Out of curiosity, which Guards army are you building? French, British, or Russian?
-Best regards, Colin
And of course British Guards are not subject to the "Send in the Guards" rule.
This is historic, since we all know that the British Guard were a disorganised militia led by drunken in-bred aristocrats. So they were of course never be capable of a decisive, or even marginal, victory.
Cam
Ah ok, I found it. I'll try and convince my game group to use that rule for AB games with one supprt brigade, which will most likely be how we do the majority of our game days.
Colin- I've started on a British Light Division, but will most likely also start working on a French Guard division as well, though I haven't decided on what period yet.
With the "Send in the Guards rule" you are forced to take only one list (Core + Polish Lancers)in order to win a pick-up game battle.
French Guards need lots of Pursuit cav to win, they can only take them by taking Allies, the Polish allies being the best option probably. So, in a pick-up game with one support - or tourney game - the French Guards can only take thier core Young Guard plus Allied cav support with Pursuit in order to win decisively, otherwise they could only hope to win marginally(therefore lose). But now they don't even get to use a unit with the Guards attribute but are still hampered by the "send in the Guards" rule.
I read the optional for "small games" version of this rule in the Tips DL section.
"The Guard army wins if it breaks the enemy morale and either (A) pursues, or (B) holds the objective at game’s end."
It looks like it should work, but still requires a single living Cav unit left after you've broken your opponent's morale (for "A") as you must be able to pursue or gives you victory if you take the objective(B). Now, to me, it stands to reason that if I break someone's morale and thier army flees the field, cavalry or not, I ALWAYS will count as taking the objective since he is no longer there to contest it. Unless my opponent wants to watch me marching my armies across to the object solo play after he's picked up his units, he would probably concede to this logic.:)
It seems the optional "Send in the Guards" rule is at odds with the "send in the Guards" from the rulebook and even makes it so thay all Guards list have to do is "pursue" and they get the decisive victory! So this optional rule may make it easier for Guards to get a Decisive victory, which is not the intent of the SitG rule from the book.
So the point of my post is not to stir up trouble, but to point out that the Guards list probably don't need this confusing and at odds with itself rule in any version. Thier Army builder seems to be pretty restrictive on Pursuit Cav options and therefore very balancing. For instance, in a single support option game, French Guards can choose either Cav with no extra arty as reserve, Old Guard with no arty in reserve and a heck of a long way to march, or more Young Guard with arty but no Guard attribute (for which you are being penalized for) or you may take Core + Polish Allies.
The Guards Core + Polish Allies is really the only sensible option and will admittedly make for a great army, but - in a tournement at least - it will be far more common than it should be. No one will want to play a French Guards list with Core + Pol Lancers 3 games in a row...
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