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1. Andrew
   Member

   We had a good game last night but a couple of questions arose and whilst we resolved by a quick chat to carry on with the game, we would like some clarification please.

   1)a unit enters a town in march column and has to spend a turn till it can deploy, in the mean time it is attacked and subsequently loses the combat. Does it fall back out of the town?

   2) a unit on the front edge of a town fights a combat and loses, the town is occupied by allies where do you fall back too? is it behind the town.

   Posted 2 years ago #

2. Sam Mustafa
   Le Grand Fromage

   1) If Fall-Back is the combat result, Yes.

   2) I'm not sure what you mean here. Could you be more specific about which side is in the town, and which friendly forces are involved, etc.?

   Posted 2 years ago #

3. Andrew
   Member

   Thanks Sam.

   in relation to point 2.

   a large unit of british cavalry managed to deploy in waves with 2 of the 3 rear bases touching the edge of the town base. The Town base itself had a unit of british deployed in it already.

   what would happen if the British Cavalry are charged and lost combat thus having to fall back, would they fall back beyond the town base?

   Posted 2 years ago #

4. Sam Mustafa
   Le Grand Fromage

   Yes, they'd fall back through the town base, as per p.70: "Falling Back through a Town Base."

   Posted 2 years ago #

5. Crottin de Chavignol
   Member

   We had a problem in a game yesterday :

   We were playing the 'crossroads' board and I had a unit deployed in one of the town sectors.

   My opponent had a unit, in line on the road through the town that passed between the town sectors facing my unit.

   There did not appear to be any way for me to assault the unit as there was no space to deploy outside the town sector on that face.

   Is that the intent of the rules?

   We also discussed whether the roads should have extended into the overall footprint of the town or whether we should have ended the roads at the boundary of the footprint of the town.

   Posted 1 year ago #

6. Sam Mustafa
   Le Grand Fromage

   "My opponent had a unit, in line on the road through the town that passed between the town sectors facing my unit.
   There did not appear to be any way for me to assault the unit as there was no space to deploy outside the town sector on that face. Is that the intent of the rules?"

   I'm sorry, I'm having trouble visualizing that. If you're asking me whether a unit in Deployed(Town) formation can charge an enemy that is >Not< in an adjacent town, the answer is No. The only way for a unit in that formation to leave the town and get into the open, is in March, which can't charge anything. (See p.70: "Leaving the Town Base from Deployed.")

   "We also discussed whether the roads should have extended into the overall footprint of the town or whether we should have ended the roads at the boundary of the footprint of the town."

   Again, I'm not exactly sure what the question is. The only effect of a road in the game is that it negates otherwise rough terrain. Whether you imagine it extending into the town or not will not have any effect on play.

   Posted 1 year ago #

7. Grinner
   Member

   This does bring up the question, what if a unit is in a town base that because of movement restrictions and limitations cannot then leave said town. This is a problem I've run into with Austrian armies with large units. In march, the formation a unit must adopt when leaving a town base, they can move 6 BW, however when in march formation the depth of the unit is thus 6 BW, meaning a large Austrian, or any large unit for that matter, can only ever leave a town base exactly perpendicular to one of it's sides, and have the rear edge of it's last unit be flush with the edge of the town. It could arise that the town would be surrounded by terrain that would make it impossible for such a unit to leave based on movement restrictions through rough ground, or by enemy units blocking their escape.

   Posted 1 year ago #

8. cam_millar
   Member

   Crottin de Chavignol - do you mean the following situation.

   There are four town bases (T) separated by roads (- and |):
   
TTT|TTT
TTT|TTT
TTT|TTT
---+---
TTT|TTT
TTT|TTT
TTT|TTT

   Assume unit 1 is deployed in the top town, and enemy A is in line on the road:
   
T1T|TTT
1T1|TTT
T1T|TTT
-AAAA--
TTT|TTT
TTT|TTT
TTT|TTT


   Is that the situation?

   My question is how did the units get into this position? I would have though they are in contact, so one would have needed to charge the other. Unit 1 cannot charge unit A on the road, so if Unit A was already in place then 1 would not have been able to occupy the town in the first place.

   It does look to me that a unit in line on a road running between town sections effectively blocks the enemy from deploying in any surrounding town section. I also cannot see any way this unit could be charged legally by any enemy unit. I also suspect it effectively could not be fired on (one enemy base might be able to, but that is unlikely to be effective). Probably missed something - but it does seem odd.

   Cam

   Posted 1 year ago #

9. Sam Mustafa
   Le Grand Fromage

   "It does look to me that a unit in line on a road running between town sections effectively blocks the enemy from deploying in any surrounding town section."

   Why/how would it prevent that? Any unit, friend or foe, could enter an unoccupied town section from any number of angles, not just from the road.

   " I also cannot see any way this unit could be charged legally by any enemy unit."

   It certainly couldn't be charged by a Deployed unit in the adjacent town. Trying to form up a battalion of 600 men on a dirt street, in order to charge an enemy already standing in that street... that just seems impossible to me.

   As for whether it could be charged by anybody from anywhere... that depends on whether any bit of it is "poking out" from behind or between town bases. If we're using really small figure bases and/or big town bases, I can indeed imagine that it might have "hidden" in the passageway between the town bases. If that is happening in one's game, then I suggest fixing it by simply pushing the town bases together and not running the road between them.

   "I also suspect it effectively could not be fired on (one enemy base might be able to, but that is unlikely to be effective)."

   If there are enemies in the immediately-adjacent town bases, then certainly they could fire upon him.

   "It could arise that the town would be surrounded by terrain that would make it impossible for such a unit to leave based on movement restrictions through rough ground, or by enemy units blocking their escape."

   That is indeed a possibility, if you marched your battalion into a very restricted town, and the enemy bottled you in. My understanding of towns is that they tended to be little magnets that drew units in, but rarely let them go. Lasalle is probably much too liberal, allowing you to just pick up and leave in a march column, whenever you want.

   "In march, the formation a unit must adopt when leaving a town base, they can move 6 BW, however when in march formation the depth of the unit is thus 6 BW, meaning a large Austrian, or any large unit for that matter, can only ever leave a town base exactly perpendicular to one of it's sides, and have the rear edge of it's last unit be flush with the edge of the town."

   That would only be the case if your bases were perfect squares. Most people use a base that is somewhat less deep than it is wide, and thus a six-base March column is actually only about 4BW long.

   Posted 1 year ago #

10. pgbldwn
    Member

    As to the deployment on the road, the unit in question was a + sized Austrian infantry unit. It advanced up the road directly beside an unoccupied town base. The town base was 3BW square with a 1BW road separating it from a second town base of similar size.

    When the lead base was clear of the town base the unit formed line on the road. The result was one base still on the right of the town, three across the front to he town base and two out the other side.

    Wasn't on reflection a great idea. Intention was to block infiltration through the town. Would have been better to wait on the far side and react as the French approached through the town. As it was it was vulnerable to fire from several French units and would probably have been in serious trouble.

    But the unit could leave the position either by forming in march on the right or Mass on the left.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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