Hi,
I will be running a Lasalle scenario for the Hougoumont over the next couple of days (if Xmas does not get in the way). For those who may be interested please see http://fuentesdeonoro.blogspot.com/
I really have tried to stick to the rulebook, but have had to generate some BUA specific and Engineering specific rules for the scenario. I would value any comment. Once I sort out the bugs, I will upload it to the scenario-WIKI.
Thanks,
John
Hi John,
Nice blog, Wow .We know what you have been doing for a few months lol.
I would just say that the lay outs not quite right though.I think you have that idea on the one of the first pictures on the 15mm game link I showed you. Which had the model of hougoumont but their lay out wasnt quite right.
Your showing the chateau and the gardens behind the wall but beyond that theres the orchard with hedge around it.
1/3 chataeu 1/3 Gardens behind wall 1/3 orchard with hedge
Anyway fantastic blog will enjoy following it.
cheers
Hi Doug Brunt(PR),
You are a little off in your measurements. From Adkin's book on Waterloo, the actual building complex was around 60 m wide x 120 deep. The walled formal gardens were 170 m wide and the orchard to the west was about 150 m wide, this gives you a ratio of around 1/2.8/2.5. Additionally the forest to the south was at least another 250 metres deep.
Since the actual 15 mm Hougoumont complex from Hovels is roughly 60x40 cm, that would mean I would need a garden of almost 4 ft and an orchard of a little over 3 ft, so the total width of the terrain for just the the buildings, garden and orchard would be greater than 8 feet wide!!!!!!!!.
I have explained all this in an earlier post on my blog http://fuentesdeonoro.blogspot.com/2010/12/hougoumont.html
Sometimes to get a visually appealing wargame, one needs to make allowances. The terrain scale I am using is already way out of proportion to my figure scale (16cm battalion in line). To use the actual historical proportions would be near on impossible.
Anyway, I hope to get a few more moves in tomorrow.
Many thanks for your interest,
John
Nice one John ...good to see plenty of scenario type actions ...in a bit of a a xmas rush at the moment will post more later ...cheers Paul
ps Merry xmas!
PR - The whole Hougoumomt thing (as tried in various threads on this forum) is a case of 'if i wanted to get there i wouldn't start from here'. By which I mean that you either have to have a very small Hougoumont (1BW = approx. 30m), or use a different set of rules. To adapt Lasalle to fit an oversize Hougoumont would require extensive changes.
So I think you just have to accept that these are fun abstract representational games of Hougoumont and not in any way a simulation.
Looks great by the way John.
Alan, we will call it a minor suspension of disbelief!
John
I have posted the first 7 turns, a couple of problems noted so far but we will soldier on with a break for Xmas, hope to be back Boxing Day. Happy Xmas to all.
John
http://fuentesdeonoro.blogspot.com/2010/12/struggle-for-hougoumont-ar.html
Hi
An exciting AAR with a superb terrain and pictures...
Waiting to see the next part!
Regards
Rafa
Hi
""Hi Doug Brunt(PR),
You are a little off in your measurements. From Adkin's book on Waterloo, the actual building complex was around 60 m wide x 120 deep. The walled formal gardens were 170 m wide and the orchard to the west was about 150 m wide, this gives you a ratio of around 1/2.8/2.5. Additionally the forest to the south was at least another 250 metres deep""
After I posted that I thought perhaps I should edit it to ROUGHLY 1/3 chataeu 1/3 Gardens behind wall 1/3 orchard with hedge but I didn't bother thinking know one would pick at that.LOL
I would add hedge at the back thats the point. But fair enough. Its abstract. fair enough that answers my question.
How did you get my full name John
please don't use it.Rather not have it branded around. There is some wierd people on line you know. Lol
cheers
Lovely looking game thanks.
I have posted an update to the game on my blog, the Lasalle ruleset with very minor modification appear to be working well in this asymmetric engagement.
John
Superb blog. I am enjoying the discussion around ground scale. Picked up Lasalle a few months ago on a bargain shelf in a games store in Perth WA and after reading it a few times, I just love the rules, and especially the way Sam has simplified things like unit size, ground scale and fighting in built up areas. I have also enjoyed following your progress online as you bring a 28mm Lasalle projet to life so please keep up the great work. I have an ongoing ECW project but I am itching to get stuck into 28mm Nappies with Lasalle.
Many Thanks
Walter
I put up the final turns today for the Hougoumont Scenario. It was really the most exciting scenario I have played to date. I would not have thought that the Lasalle rules would have worked as well as they did in such an asymmetric engagement, but they did. Both sides hit their breakpoint in back to back turns. This does say a lot for the ruleset. I am going to make a few adjustments in the scenario's OB (add some cannon) and reinforcement's turn entry. I will then upload the scenario to the Wiki.
More at http://fuentesdeonoro.blogspot.com/
John
Hi John ....really good blog and a spot on battle report ..I think we will have to get our Hougomont demo back on the table ....
nice one Paul
Hi John have really enjoyed your blog on the game and observations.I glad it was an interesting game. I had my worries when when we started it. That attacking a fortified chateau could be interesting game at this scale, ectra, so thats good.
Ive been working on a couple of other systems at the moment. But when the club comes back I still want to approach the scenerio just using 2 town base widths for the chateau (for people who dont want to go out and buy the model)keeping it to base width scale so any size model soldier can be used and is easy to set up for a club day just lots of hedges and trees needed.
with the artillery you could consider just rolling a dice for each base outside the grounds, woood, and a 6 is a hit. So the french get some penalty for exposed and turning side ways in front of the british. thats a simple way of doing it without the artillery models.
As Ive mentioned in other post the whole right flank on the british side was eventually dragged in and that its a bit of a myth that the guards held out on there own so its tricky about what units to envolve and when to envolve them.So for club games and time restrictions, Ill problably just keep to the first 2 attacks and the french have a time line.
If they capture the orchard and the garden give them a close victory.
Anyway well done cheers.
Thanks Guys,
John
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