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1. aka_hazard
   Member

   This is definitely a newbie question - from what I've read the Austrian Reserve forces are comprised of the Grenadier companies taken from the regular line regiments and each would therefore retain the facing colours of their 'parent' regiments.
   Have I understood this correctly or should I go stand in the corner with the dunce's hat on?
   Kevin

   Posted 2 years ago #

2. SteveM
   Member

   Kevin

   You are correct in assuming the facings would differ, so 3 colours over 4 bases. (3 base Shako units do have some advantages!)

   The thing I found difficult to determine was what standards to use, I found this on the Warflag site.

   "Nevertheless, aside from 1805, the Grenadier battalions which only formed up in wartime just picked up one spare Ordinarfahne, usually but not necessarily from the senior parent regiment depot. Only in 1805, when each regiment had its own Grenadier battalion as the senior unit did Grenadiers carry a Leibfahne."

   Also:

   Below is a list of grenadier battalions in 1809
   with battalion commander's name, and regiments
   that contibuted to the make up of each battalion:
   - - - - - - - - Maylblumel - 8th, 22nd, 60th
   - - - - - - - - Leinine - 25th, 35th, 54th
   - - - - - - - - Hohenlohe - 1st, 29th, 38th
   - - - - - - - - Hauger - 40th, 44th, 46th
   - - - - - - - - Cappy - 12th, 20th, 23rd
   - - - - - - - - Peccaduc - 9th, 55th, 56th
   - - - - - - - - Wieniawski - 10th, 11th, 47th
   - - - - - - - - Nissel - 15th, 28th, 57th
   - - - - - - - - Stark - 7th, 18th, 21st
   - - - - - - - - Georgy - 17th, 36th, 42nd
   - - - - - - - - Bissingen - 3rd, 50th, 58th
   - - - - - - - - Hahn - 2nd 33rd, 39th
   - - - - - - - - Puteani - 14th, 45th, 59th
   - - - - - - - - Brozeczinski - 24th, 30th, 41st
   - - - - - - - - Scovaud - 4th, 49th, 63rd
   - - - - - - - - Kirchenbetter - 34th, 37th, 48th
   - - - - - - - - Scharlach - 31st, 32nd, 51st
   - - - - - - - - Salamon - 16th, 26th, 27th
   - - - - - - - - Janusch - 19th, 52nd, 61st
   - - - - - - - - Chimani - 13th, 43rd
   - - - - - - - - Muhlen - 53rd, 62nd

   Hope this helps

   Steve

   Posted 2 years ago #

3. vilcum
   Member

   I would say that is very good question indeed... depends on the date you are representing, initially each company retained their parent regiment facing, but lately (1809?-1811?) the they where regulated to be all the same.

   Posted 2 years ago #

4. Ironduke
   Member

   Here's a useful link for you hazard. I copied the info below from a post by ArchiducCharles there.
   http://www.theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=191466

   Here is a list of the Grenadier battalions in 1809. Parent regiments of Grenadier Battalions are shown besides the number of men. I've also included the facing colours for each battalions.

   3rd Division – FML Lindenau

   § Grenadier Battalion Leiningden (742): 25/35/54 – sea green, apple green, crab red

   § Grenadier Battalion Portner (713): 44/46 – madder red, dark blue

   § Grenadier Battalion Georgy (745): 16/26/27- violet, parrot green, emperor yellow,

   § Grenadier Battalion Wieniasky (837): 11/11/47 – pink, pink, steel green,

   § Grenadier Battalion Demontant (778):13/40/43 – grass green, carmine, sulphur yellow

   § Grenadier Battalion Legrand (744): 9/55/56 – apple green, pale blue, steel green

   § Grenadier Battalion Hohenlohe (708): 1/29/38 – pompadour (dark red), pale blue, rose pink

   § Grenadier Battalion Hahn (523): 2/33/39 – emperor yellow, dark blue, carmine

   4rd Division – FML d'Aspre

   § Grenadier Battalion Brzeczinski (610): 24/30/41- dark blue, light pike grey, sulphur yellow

   § Grenadier Battalion Puteany (682): 14/45/59 – black, poppy red, orange-yellow

   § Grenadier Battalion Scovaud (665): 4/49/63 – sky blue, light pike grey, light brown

   § Grenadier Battalion Scharlach (706): 31/32/51 – emperor yellow, light blue, dark blue (Violet)

   § Grenadier Battalion Mayblümel (727): 8/22/60 – poppy red, emperor yellow, steel green

   § Grenadier Battalion Oklopsia(659): 12/20/23 – dark brown, crab red, poppy red

   § Grenadier Battalion Bissigen (700): 3/50/58 – sky blue, violet, black

   § Grenadier Battalion Kirchenbetter (713): 34/37/48 – madder red, poppy red, steel green

   Posted 2 years ago #

5. aka_hazard
   Member

   that's brilliant, thanks very much

   Posted 2 years ago #

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