Looking at the Dutchy of Warsaw allies for French, the Calvary Brigade is not an option in the Peninsula period. Any reason, when I can think of several battles they participated in (and my collection is based on Albuera!!! )
No option for Polish Cav in Peninsula?
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Posted 2 years ago #
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If you look at the French Peninsular List, and then "Allied Brigades," you'll see that "Polish" is available, so Yes, you may have them.
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Thanks Sam,
Yeah I see that Polish (D. of Warsaw) are available, but only the Infantry Bar covers the Peninsula section, not the cavalry, or am I interpreting this wrong? thanks.Posted 2 years ago # -
Hmm, I can't remember if that was intentional or not. Are you saying that two full (large) Polish lancer units were at Albuera? I thought it was just an amalgamation of the Vistula Legion Cav?
I didn't think there were any Peninsular battles with more than a single regiment of Polish lancers at them, but I'm willing to be corrected.
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Um Im not sure either. I think there were about 600 Lancers at Albuera (4 Squadrons) and some Guard Lancers running around with Napoleon and Army of the North at Fuentes. Not enough to qualify I guess...
Posted 2 years ago # -
Greetings
French cavalry present at Albuera (source: Oman from 1 May strength return)
Briche's brigade
2nd Hussars 23+282
10th Hussars 24+238
21st Chasseurs 21+235Bron's brigade
4th Dragoons 21+385
20th Dragoons 22+244
26th Dragoons 27+394Bouvier de Eclat's brigade
14th Dragoons 17+299
17th Dragoons 17+297
27th Dragoons 14+235Unattached:
1st Lancers of the Vistula 28+563
27th Chasseurs 22+409
4th Spaniosh Chasseurs 14+181Regards
Edward
Posted 2 years ago # -
Sam,
I also wanted to bring Polish Lancers in a Peninsular force, have you determined that they were not included intentionally?
thanks!
Mick
Posted 2 years ago # -
Correct: they were intentionally not included, because there never was a full brigade of them present.
Posted 2 years ago # -
It seems it would be ok to include Polish Lancers in some way as part of a historical simulation for the Peninsula area, like perhaps 2 bases instead of 4.
And I could even see permiting such brigades under a local house rule for the non-historical games, unless of course a tournament of some kind was being held that might attract folks from further away than those who frequent the locality and wouldn't be familiar wiht the local house rule.
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In fact in most scenaries they participate would be beter taking the full 4 bases, as each unit fits a regiment.
Out of historical engagements and/or homerules for friendly games including the polish lancers would be as ahistorical as including cuirassers in peninsular french armies, a single regiment (in both examples) should not qualify into a "standard" army.
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I can see how having 4 bases, representing a single unit, is better than 2.
However, I'm not sure why the lancers and cuirassers are being called "ahistorical", perhaps a spelling error?
I have much to learn about the Peninsula area of the Napoleonic Wars, yet I'm certain there was at least a unit of lancers present. Although, I can see why they wouldn't fit in an army being used for regular tournament play.
The more I've thought about it, for a historical simulation where the lancers were present, I do see how a fitting them in is possible.
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You can't use 2 bases - units have either 4 bases for small units, or 6 bases for large units.
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@Gamespoet - "ahistorical" is probabaly a language error , being spaniard I am not sure it makes sense in english, its meaning is as "NOT-historical"
There was indeed one unit of lancers, and one of "provisional cuirassiers" in the peninsular war (for that matter even the imperial guard grognards fighted in spain), so in a historical (not misterious "a" here) scenario it should be fielded BUT an army with one of those units its no way an standard peninsular army. If I were to have them in an army (and I am, as I am very fond of cuirasiers AND perrys plastic ones are GREAT)I would make a different french force to include them.
I feel doing it the other way would have the end result of seeing more peninsular lancers in a single tourney than were the real war....even at 1:1 scale. (for FOW players, think in brummbars and puppchens)
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