I saw in the message two days ago that a little help with the "Quatre Bras" army list was needed. I'll try to put a first draft on the Wiki as soon as possible. But I think hat unless they use the same rule as the Spanish army (draw is a marginal win), we will need a double width table to fit so many conscript troops hehe.
Quatre Bras List
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Posted 2 years ago #
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It shouldn't be that huge. I was thinking that it would be a Dutch-Belgian "Core," which could then be supported by brigades of Brits, Nassauers, Brunswickers, and/or more DBs.
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Here are all units engaged to choose from:
The Battle of Quatre-Bras
ANGLO-ALLIED FORCES PRESENT AT THE BATTLE OF QUATRE BRAS 34,219
I CORPS: Prince of Orange
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2nd Brigade – Byng 2,148 Arrive 16:00 hours
2/2nd Guards (Coldstream) 1,044
2/3rd Guards (Scots) 1,104
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Division Artillery 440
Bolton's Battery, RFA 5 x 9-pdrs / 1 x 5.5-in. Howitzer (215)
Sympher's Battery, 2nd HA KGL 5 x 9-pdrs / 1 x 5.5-in. howitzer (225)3rd DIVISION – Alten 6,251 Arrives 17:00 Hours
5th Brigade – Halkett 2,422
2/30th Foot (Cambridgeshire) 657
33rd Foot (Yorkshire West Riding) 603 – Wellington's old regiment
2/69th Foot (South Lincolnshire) 558
2/73rd Foot (Highland) 604
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1st Hanoverian Brigade – Kielmansegge 3,414
Bremen Field Battalion 552
Verden Field Battalion 573
York Light Battalion 647
Lüneburg Field Battalion 635
Grübenhagen Jäger Battalion 661
Kielmansegge Feldjäger-Korps 340
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Division Artillery
Lloyd's Battery, RFA 5 x 9-pdrs / 1 x 5.5-in. howitzer (200)
Cleeve's Battery, 1st Foot KGL 5 x 9-pdrs / 1 x 5.5-in. howitzer (215)2nd NETHERLANDS DIVISION – Perponcher 7,936 There since 15th
1st Brigade – Bijlandt 3,233 arrive12pm
Bataljon van Linie No.7 (Belgian) 701
Bataljon Jagers No.27 (Dutch) 809
Bataljon Nationale Militie No.5 482
Bataljon Nationale Militie No.7 (Dutch) 675
Bataljon Nationale Militie No.8 (Dutch 566
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2nd Brigade – Saxe-Weimar 4,477 arrive 12pm
1/2nd Nassau-Usingen 903
2/2nd Nassau-Usingen 903
3/2nd Nassau-Usingen 903
1/Regiment Oranje-Nassau No.28 795
2/Regiment Oranje-Nassau No.28 796
Freywillige Oranische Jager-Kompanie 177
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Division Artillery arrive 12pm
Bijleveld's Battery, HA (Dutch) 6 x 6-pdrs / 2 x 5.5-in. howitzer (107)
Stievenert's Battery, FA (Belgian) 6 x 6-pdrs / 2 x 5.5-in. Howitzer (119)NETHERLANDS CAVALRY DIVISION Arrive 15:00 Hours
2nd Light Brigade - van Merlen 1,082 arrive 3pm
6th Hussars (Dutch) 641
5th Light Dragoons (Belgian) 441
Petter's 1/2 HA (Dutch) 2 x 6-pdrs5th DIVISION – Picton 5,467 Arrives 15:00 Hours
8th Brigade – Kempt 2,644
1/28th Foot (North Gloucestershire) 594
1/32nd Foot (Cornwall) 712
1/79th Foot (Cameron Highlanders) 749
1/95th Rifles - 6 Coys 589
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9th Brigade – Pack 2,323
3/1st Foot (Royal Scots) 648 There from midday
1/42nd Foot (Royal Highland) 561
2/44th Foot (East Sussex) 485
1/92nd Gordon Highlanders 629
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Division Artillery
Roger's Battery, RFA 5 x 9-pdrs / 1 x 5.5-in. howitzer (263)
Braun's Battery, Hanoverian FA 5 x 6-pdrs / 1 x 5.5-in. Howitzer (237)6th DIVISION – Cole
4th Hanoverian Brigade – Best 2,742 Arrived 15:00 Hours
Verden Landwehr Battalion 661
Lüneburg Landwehr Battalion 664
Osterode Landwehr Battalion 717
Münden Landwehr Battalion 700----------------------------------------------------------
Brunswick CONTINGENT: Duke of Brunswick 6,066?
Advanced Guard - von Rauschenplatt 675
Jäger Battalion 675
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Light Brigade - von Buttlar 2,688
Light Btn. "Leib" (Garde) 672
1st Light Battalion "Leib" 672
2nd Light Battalion "Leib" 672 / 688
3rd Light Battalion "Leib" 672 / 691
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Line Brigade - von Specht 2,016
1st Line Battalion 672
2nd Line Battalion 672
3rd Line Battalion 672
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Divisional Artillery
von Moll's Brunswick FA 8 x 6-pdr (205)
von Heinemann Brunswick HA 8 x 6pdr (167)
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Cavalry Brigade 990
2nd Hussar (Brunswick) 690 / 727
Uhlans (Brunswick) 232 / 246
Field Gendarmes or Polizei Huzaren (Brunswick) 17FRENCH FORCES PRESENT AT THE BATTLE OF QUATRE BRAS
ARMEÉ DU NORD Left Wing – MARÉCHAL NEY
II Corps d'Armée – Reille – 24 715
Artillerie de Réserve – Général de Division Pelletier
Gayat - 7e Cie. 2e d'Art à Pied 6 x 12lb guns / 2 x 6 inch howitzers (210)5ème Division d'Infanterie – Bachelu – 4 672
1ère Brigade – Husson – 2 440
1er Bataillon / 3e Ligne – Vautrin 598
2e Bataillon / 3e Ligne 598
1er Bataillon / 61e Ligne – Bouge 622
2e Bataillon / 61e Ligne 622
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2ème Brigade – Campi – 2 232
1er Bataillon / 72e Ligne – Thibault 502
2e Bataillon / 72e Ligne 502
1er Bataillon / 108e Ligne – Higonet 415
2e Bataillon / 108e Ligne 406
3e Bataillon / 108e Ligne 406
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Division d'Artillerie – Deshaulles
18e Cie. 6e d'Artillerie à Pied 6 x 6lb guns / 2 x 5.5 inch howitzers (187)6ème Division d'Infanterie – Jérôme Bonaparte - 8 019
1ère Brigade – Bauduin – 4 229
1er Bataillon / 1ère Légère – Despans-Cubières 616
2e Bataillon / 1ère Légère 621
3e Bataillon / 1ère Légère 615
1er Bataillon / 2e Légère – Maigros 578
2e Bataillon / 2e Légère 569
3e Bataillon / 2e Légère 577
4e Bataillon / 2e Légère 570
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2ème Brigade – Baron Soye – 3 590
1er Bataillon / 1ère Ligne – Cornebise 598
2e Bataillon / 1ère Ligne 598
3e Bataillon / 1ère Ligne 622
1er Bataillon / 2e Ligne – Trippe 593
2e Bataillon / 2e Ligne 585
3e Bataillon / 2e Ligne 587
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Division d'Artillerie – Fivel
2e Cie. 2e d'Art à Pied 6 x 6lb guns / 2 x 5.5 inch howitzers (200)9ème Division d'Infanterie – Foy - 5 493
1ère Brigade – Gauthier – 2 775
1er Bataillon / 92e Ligne – Tissot 657
2e Bataillon / 92e Ligne 657
1er Bataillon / 93e Ligne – Massot 471
2e Bataillon / 93e Ligne 472
3e Bataillon / 93e Ligne 518
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2ème Brigade – Jamin – 2 875
1er Bataillon / 100e Ligne – Braun 423
2e Bataillon / 100e Ligne 424
3e Bataillon / 100e Ligne 246
1er Bataillon / 4e Légère – Peyris 533
2e Bataillon / 4e Légère 536
3e Bataillon / 4e Légère 535
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Division d'Artillerie – Tacon
1ère Cie. 6e d'Artillerie à Pied 6 x 6lb guns / 2 x 5.5 inch howitzers (187)2ème Division de Cavalerie – Piré - 2 025
1ère Brigade – Hubert – 1 045
1er Chasseurs à Cheval – de Simonneau 485
6e Chasseurs à Cheval – de Faudoas 560
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2ème Brigade – Wathiez – 985
5e Lanciers Légère – Jacqueminot 499
6e Lanciers Légère – de Galbois 486
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Division d'Artillerie – Gronnier
2e Cie. 4e d'Artillerie à Cheval 4 x 6lb guns / 2 x 5.5 inch howitzers (163)III Corps de Cavalerie – Kellermann - 3 856
11ème Division de Cavalerie - l'Héritier - 2 102
1ère Brigade – Picquet – 1 123
2e Dragons – Planzeaux 593
7e Dragons – Léopold 530
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2ème Brigade – Guiton – 818
8e Cuirassiers – Garavaque 427
11e Cuirassiers – Courtier 391
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Division d'Artillerie - de Marcillac
3e Cie. 2e d'Artillerie à Cheval 4 x 6lb guns / 2 x 5.5 inch howitzers (161)12ème Division de Cavalerie - d'Hurbal - 1 794
1ère Brigade – Blanchard – 847
1er Carbiniers – Rogé 434
2e Carbiniers – Beugnat 413
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2ème Brigade – Donop – 791
2e Cuirassiers – Grandjean 311
3e Cuirassiers – Thurot 480
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Division d'Artillerie – Lebau
2e Cie. 2e d'Artillerie à Cheval 4 x 6lb guns / 2 x 5.5 inch howitzers (156)Guard Division Légère de Cavalerie – Desnöettes – 2477
1ère Brigade – Général de Division Lallemand
Vieille Garde Chasseurs à Cheval – Lallemand 1197
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2ème Brigade – Général de Division Chabanais 880
1 Escadron de la 1er (Polish) Garde Lanciers - Colbert-Chabanais 180
4 Escadrons de la 2e (Red) Garde Lanciers - Colbert-Chabanais 700Posted 2 years ago # -
The Nassauers were an integral part of the 2nd D/B division though, not a supporting brigade. The fact that the majority of the Dutch/Belgian/Nass. troops were mainly conscripts ignores the point that the officers were usually experienced and they performed pretty well at QB and Waterloo...once you get past the old paradigms.
Evan
Posted 1 year ago # -
Evan: Exactly the point I'd make about the D/B troop quality. The 7th Militia in particular performed well at QB holding the Gemoncourt Farm area. They certainly were not as unreliable as alleged in the English coorespondence. Of course with the new Netherlands coorespondence being published we'll have more insight into the manuvers and performance of the D/B units. Perhaps the Militia merit a variable morale to account for this.
I think the question for most of the Allied troops in 1815 is not only the veteran officers and NCOs, but the numbers of experienced troops and how much training did they have before moving out. Even some of the British "regulars" were 2nd battalions that saw no service in the Penninsula. The Brunswickers for the most part didn't have any better training or experience than the D/B line troops.
For the AB I don't think using a core D/B force with a supporting bridge of Nassauers is off target. The core force does not necessarily represent a full division, so you can call it a bridge and your support choice would be the Nassau infantry - with large units certainly!
Posted 1 year ago # -
I personally think the Nassauer battalions should be the 4 base size rather than 6 base battalions. I'd ignore the fact that they were larg-ish numerically compared to many of the rest of the Allied battalions as it would give them a combat ability above the norm.
i'd also like to see the D/B heavy cavalry as an option too, not for any historical reason but I'd just like to see the entire spread of D/B units available.
Posted 1 year ago #
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