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1. jmderemer
   Member

   Under the rules for Austrian Mass it states that a unit in Mass gets a +2 mod vs Cavalry. Are they then halved because they're not in square? If so, it seems a rather useless formation to have been used so extensively (especially against the Turks).

   For example: a 4-base Austrian Bn in mass attacked by a 4-base unit of Reliable cavalry.
   Austrians get 8 dice +2 (10), halved for not being in square - 5 dice
   Cavalry get 8 dice.
   Result, mass only 1 die better than line. Either way infantry
   not likely to hold.

   Now if Mass not halved. the picture looks like this;
   Infantry Dice Cavalry Dice

   Mass 10 8
   Square 8 4
   line, etc. 4 8

   Note that I purposely left out different quality and Disruption levels, focusing solely on the formation.

   Thanks in advance.

   Posted 11 months ago #

2. Prinny
   Member

   From my reading of the rules it is halved so 5 dice for a normal unit.

   I think the only time you would use it is when you had a large unit against a normal size cav unit.

   Posted 11 months ago #

3. DaKiwiMike
   Member

   Be interesting to know if anyone thinks Masse is worth using - with a large unit you are sacrificing 1 shooting die compared with a normal column (which also can be used by Austrian armies that can use Masse) although this doesn't happen with a small unit (seems a bit odd?). It also makes you quite vulnerable to an infantry charge.

   Posted 11 months ago #

4. vilcum
   Member

   I think having the possibility is great, as you are not forbidden to try to from square

   Playing with 1809 conscripts (amateur) or a -1 vigor leader (quite common for austrians) when under cavalry threath you cannot count with forming a square as reaction ... so being in a formation that at least offers some protection while allows move ,shoot and even charge sees to me as a bonus

   As for the number of front bases, I think the compromise of two bases front works good, reducing normal units to one base would nullify their shooting (you cannot hurt with a lone die) , and allow a unit charge with one-base front... would surely lead to gamey uses for mass formation

   Posted 11 months ago #

5. DaKiwiMike
   Member

   Good point about using it with amateur troops - hadn't thought of that.

   I wasn't thinking that small units should be penalised, maybe that large ones shouldn't be (i.e they should still be allowed to fire with 3 dice). Makes it quite an effective formation then by concentrating firepower. And since the fire of columns is exaggerated now anyway I don't see it being a problem from a simulation point of view.

   Anyway - just musing, since I don't have an army that uses it :-)

   Posted 11 months ago #

6. vilcum
   Member

   I think I see your point, And as a simulation I see strange a closed column being less frontage than attack columns (for large unit) as suposedly the only diference was interval between companies (depth) , but in fact it seems strange to me too infantry large units attack columns being wider than normal unit column... I suspect the last being a license for playability as massed large units in 2-base frontage would make a juggernaut

   Posted 11 months ago #

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