Speaking of Lasalle... has anyone seen this thread?

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Speaking of Lasalle... has anyone seen this thread?

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Started 1 year ago by Another_Grognard
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Another_Grognard
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Has anyone seen this thread?

http://www.thewarevent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221

Sure, Lasalle approaches Napoleonic miniature gaming in a similar fashion that Flames of War does with WW2 miniature gaming. That may or may not appeal to you.

Sure, Lasalle may have its pros and cons. With some saying more pros while others saying more cons.

Sure, Lasalle lacks some specific essentials (depending on your view).

Sure, Lasalle might not be the right set of rules for you.

And sure, Lasalle is not perfect, BUT SHOW ME a set of Napoleonic miniature rules that is!!! - - And when you do, I can guarantee you that I'll be able to find a bunch of people that will tell you different.

But I'm always amused by how opinionated and narrow-minded some people can be. And sometimes its to the extreme. Every time I see or hear some wanna-be-expert speaking volumes of nothingness simply because they cannot do anything else always seems to conjure up images of past situations were I have seen very opinionated individuals enthusiastically expressed their thoughts only to fail miserably when asked to do better.

Sadly, because I actually know some of the individuals in the other thread, I better refrain from mentioning names.

Posted 1 year ago #
Sam Mustafa
Le Grand Fromage

That's one of the infamous War Event threads, shortly before Pitts and Bowden got banned from TMP, and then threatened Bill Armintrout with a lawsuit.

It always made me smile when a few guys who claim to be fierce defenders of "accuracy" are basing their "review" on one guy who asserts that the book has only "3 pages" of rules, printed in 20-point font.... hmmm.

It's just one of those weird Wargaming Phenomena: some gamers, for reasons I'll never understand, just get furious at the existence of games other than their favorites.

Posted 1 year ago #
Hugh
Member

Considering it's a forum for fans of the Empire family of rules, I am not surprised at the reactions. They seem to have a knack for generating flame war threads on TMP. This one was epic:

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=195452

Many years ago I tried Empire and Star 'n Bars. I did not care for the rules and promptly sold them off.

To each their own...I enjoy Lasalle and thought Grande Armee and Might & Reason were very good as well. As soon as Blucher is ready for pre-order or purchase, at least one copy will be sold. Can't say my wallet was any lighter when Empire 5th edition was released.

Posted 1 year ago #
Peoples Champ
Member

Lasalle has got 6 people at our local club into napoleonics and alot more from around the country here in New Zealand so power to Sam and his rules. I have looked at various rule sets over the years and they all turned me off. I note one of the posters acknowledged it has encouraged more gamers into Napoleonics so that was good. The rest just don't seem to get it.

Posted 1 year ago #
Evan
Member

I'm not surprised at the bemoaning of a lack of interested players for their preferred games...and I don't think it has much to do with those games either!

Posted 1 year ago #
Basilhare
Member

Empire II & III got me started into 15mm Napoleonics...some fond memories of early games with the system...we quickly moved onto Napoleons Battles because of our group dynamics vs. the Empire rules....we just couldnt play Empire without arguing amongst ourselves...after playing NB for about 12 years, we finally put the genre down (I sold off all of my 15's) until I came across Sharp Practice and Lasalle...love both systems in 28mm living color...got me back into the period....Lately, we have been concentrating on Lasalle and find that it is a PERFECT combination of detail & playability...I will admit that I was not sure about the game the first time I played it...I had to really sit down & study the rules and our table size vs. 28mm figs and the large sabot basing we are using (2")...our second game went much better and now we are hooked...

All of this to say, is that with any new rules, you have to approach with an open mind and play a couple of times before you can see if they are a good fit for you & your club...

Getting a bit more personal; there seems to be a snoody element in Napoleonic Miniatures Gaming that is pretty full of themeselves...it is a real turn off for me....

Posted 1 year ago #
Marechal La Haie
Member

"3 pages of rules in 20 point font. . ."

Isn't that Terry1956 the same fellow that posted a scathing LaSalle review on TMP after playing with only the QRS, insisting he had the rules? Guess he still never got a book. . . Oh well. Back to my historically inaccurate checker pushing in no particular time or ground scale.

Posted 1 year ago #
Komissar
Member

I have never understood why gamers become so fixated on one set of rules. It seems to me that the hobby isn't so big as to be able to support such black and white, either/or mentatlities.

Posted 1 year ago #
Magnus
Member

My first post on this forum and it has to relate to this topic.

First off hello everyone, I'm a long time gamer bought my first lead miniatures back in the late 70s although they were mostly D&D related. In the early 80s I started into historical stuff. I think I bought my first Naps in 1986 and actually played my first game of Napoleonics (Empire II I think) back in the late 80s while stationed in Alaska. I'm an avid rules reader and have (like many of you probably) dozens of various rules. I liked some and disliked some but never thought to bash the people that enjoy them, I guess I'm like that with all hobbies. If bowling is your passion that's great, enjoy! If painting little metal soldiers and pushing them around the table is my passion than please afford me the same courtesy and let me enjoy.

I find it sad that within our own small community we have elitist (if that's the right word) that think that their ruleset is the only viable one. I guess the simple response is, "they're probably people I don't want to play with either!"

And finally to Sam, thanks for writing another enjoyable set of rules, I'm slowly working on painting my army and hope to get in a game some day. There are not a lot of historical gamers in Northwest Florida but hopefully I can make it to convention some day and actually play a game.

V/r
Magnus

Posted 1 year ago #
Nap since 72
Member

The way Empire was played where I game, I sold ALL my game figures and was out of the hobby for 6 years. I will NEVER play Empire again unless they start from scratch with III, and then it's not likely. I enjoy playing 3 different sets of rules. Two are the grand tactical type. Lasalle offers a different type of play. Skirmish might also be fun. I'm not so narrow minded as to think a set of rules has yet to be written that should force the exclusion of all others. I put on large games, and have for over 40 years. Those that do not like the games I put on are never required to play. I am in the process of starting a Lasalle group in Minnesota and if the Empire gamers turn their noses up --- so be it!
When I started it was L'Guerre and Column, Line, and Square.

Posted 1 year ago #
vilcum
Member

IMHO the problem its not rulesets -I play empire and lasalle comfortably- the problem is people.... it scares me how reality replicates fiction...

http://www.larryleadhead.org/c13.html

-to avoid copyright problems I avoided pasting the picture, follow the link and have a laugh -

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